First they came for Alex Jones, then...

[VARIABLE9]

Re: WikiLeaks

http://www.oann.com/wikileaks-after-...could-be-next/

[Jellybean]

.....I for one am for open expression and freedom. On any and every medium. I have never censored anyone, nor would I, ever. The most egregious thoughts, ideas, opinions, speech and rhetoric should be met with the most diligent questioning and logic in pursuit of truth.

Shutting down certain view points on privately held mediums may be legal, but it is damaging and peoples minds are being shut down and certain types of thought and expression of opinions forced underground....

And the discussions were had, usually ending with the socialists/leftists getting their arguments crushed, as there is little to no logic to be found in them.
This is simply the end result of a bunch of lunatics who think their ridiculous opinions MUST be right and unilaterally accepted by all, lashing out because they're going to lose everything if they let everyone talk freely amongst themselves.
Jones was just the low-hanging fruit to set precedent for the restriction and banning of anything they can define as "hate", never mind how utterly vague that description is, or how loosely it generally fits with what they want banned. It's another war of "definitions", much like the gun scene.
If you think this will all work out, or that there's somehow some legal loophole for this to happen, may I point you in the direction of the UK, given they''re currently going down this road right in front of us all...

To be fair, this censoring and banning has been going on for sometime in the background, Jones is just the first really big name to get the ban hammer, so obviously it's making a bit more or a splash.

At the end of the day, it's all very simple- we have handed FAR to much control over to monopolistic companies and corporations, who are now largely owned by....other.... people who's ideals and interests are anathema to the ideas and values this country was started on. Easy to do, not so easy to walk away from. So we now have what you could call the "tyranny of convenience"- certain things are just to damn useful to do without, and so we may kick and scream, but ultimately if you wish to use these conveniences- which one MUST do in many cases- you've gotta bend and compromise just a little more every time. And of course we do. Because at the end of the day we're just as hypocritical as all the big-name libs that talked about moving to Canada if Trump won...

Anyone who thinks that the overt, naked censorship IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is “okay” is a literal ****ing moron who has to spend their mornings searching for their other brain cell so they can have two to rub together just to function.

>muh free market though
>their house; their rules amirite guys?

What the **** is the point of the first amendment, if your freedom of speech can only exist in a vacuum.

Censorship, in any form, is utterly abhorrent to American values. Period.

Helped it along a bit for ya.
Otherwise, exactly on.

I'll just use this as an example, since it's current, but there are plenty of others...
But remember this- Jones got kicked off multiple open-use platforms "because muh hate speech".
This being has a job at a nationally recognized NON-open-use newspaper after spewing multiple posts of ACTUAL hate speech....

[HeruMew]

And the discussions were had, usually ending with the socialists/leftists getting their arguments crushed, as there is little to no logic to be found in them.
This is simply the end result of a bunch of lunatics who think their ridiculous opinions MUST be right and unilaterally accepted by all, lashing out because they're going to lose everything if they let everyone talk freely amongst themselves.
Jones was just the low-hanging fruit to set precedent for the restriction and banning of anything they can define as "hate", never mind how utterly vague that description is, or how loosely it generally fits with what they want banned. It's another war of "definitions", much like the gun scene.
If you think this will all work out, or that there's somehow some legal loophole for this to happen, may I point you in the direction of the UK, given they''re currently going down this road right in front of us all...

To be fair, this censoring and banning has been going on for sometime in the background, Jones is just the first really big name to get the ban hammer, so obviously it's making a bit more or a splash.

At the end of the day, it's all very simple- we have handed FAR to much control over to monopolistic companies and corporations, who are now largely owned by....other.... people who's ideals and interests are anathema to the ideas and values this country was started on. Easy to do, not so easy to walk away from. So we now have what you could call the "tyranny of convenience"- certain things are just to damn useful to do without, and so we may kick and scream, but ultimately if you wish to use these conveniences- which one MUST do in many cases- you've gotta bend and compromise just a little more every time. And of course we do. Because at the end of the day we're just as hypocritical as all the big-name libs that talked about moving to Canada if Trump won...



Helped it along a bit for ya.
Otherwise, exactly on.

I'll just use this as an example, since it's current, but there are plenty of others...
But remember this- Jones got kicked off multiple open-use platforms "because muh hate speech".
This being has a job at a nationally recognized NON-open-use newspaper after spewing multiple posts of ACTUAL hate speech....

But, but, it was only in Satire to spite the racist baiters who attacked her first... For doing and posting these exact things.


Honestly, your post rang true. I dropped Netflix after that ungodly contract went to BHO and Michelle. On top of that, Wolf get's her own show on Netflix and uses it to slam conservative ideals (although, I will give her credit, she doe take a couple jabs at the Libs though nothing like the opposite side).

I will be using my Twitch Prime Trial that I signed up for, not knowing it is really AMAZON Prime, and cancelling it at the end of the month.

Youtube though... Ehhh... It kinda goes without saying that I could give up the Slime Videos, Top10s, and NearDeathGoPro Videos; but to give up all the wealth of actual labor items, say working on my car, building a chicken coop, fixing stuff and technology. It has that market cornered for sure.

[FlyingHunter]

The prelude to war always begins with shutting down your opponent’s ability to communicate.

As we’ve found in recent years with the emergence of the so-called ‘Arab Spring’, uprisings in Iran, Tommy Robinson in the UK and the flashmob phenomena, social media has emerged as one of the most potent weapons in the fourth generation warfare battlefield. That said it makes sense Big Tech, which grew and consolidated while being subsidized by government funds, would move to silence the voice of dissent.

[_Stormin_]

The baker would sell gays as many cupcakes as they wanted, he just didn't want to be told what to put on the cakes. The organizations are also not claiming any religious reasons for their banning.

The baker didn't argue religion, he argued expression (free speech) as each cake is a "unique work of art" and he could not be compelled to make them against his will.

Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/etc... have pulled down numerous things that the particular company finds to be objectionable, or a violation of the terms that the company publishes for the company's website. And yes, if they decided to take down the pages of any of the "protected classes" they could damned well do so in a heartbeat. There would be a lot of SJWs protesting in front of their HQ, but they can't be compelled to position anything on their platform from anyone.

As far as your shock that they claimed to be non-partisan and that turned out to be a lie, I'd like to present ALL MEDIA EVER as a history example. Nobody is non-partisan. Some are just better at hiding it until their bread is buttered...

[_Stormin_]

Anyone who thinks that the overt, naked censorship IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is “okay” is a literal ****ing cuck.

I think that I don't have to let someone come onto my property (free of charge) and allow them to voice their opinion in any way.

Again, am I OK with these sites doing this? No, I find it more distasteful than I find Alex Jones... But it's their damned site. M4C doesn't have to allow leftist voices to caw about gun control and "reasonable restrictions."

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

The baker didn't argue religion, he argued expression (free speech) as each cake is a "unique work of art" and he could not be compelled to make them against his will.

..

BZZZZZTTTttttt. Wrong answer. From the SCOTUS decision page 1, paragraph one, sentences 1&2.

Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd., is a Colorado bakery owned and operated by Jack Phillips, an expert baker and devout Christian. In 2012 he told a same-sex couple that he would not create a cake for their wed- ding celebration because of his religious opposition to same-sex mar- riages

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...diff2_e1pf.pdf

[vicious_cb]

As much as I am not a fan of the censoring of free speech... Their platform, their rules.

Wrong, if you think this you probably have no idea how much reach youtube/FB/twitter or all the major social media outlets have.

These major outlets are basically the modern printing press in terms of being able to disseminate information.

[Moose-Knuckle]

So is Alex Jones unable to obtain his own server and host his own website and content?

Alex Jones has his own website, he's had it since before these techno oligarchs became a thing. He also has his own radio show/streaming pod cast thing.

[Outlander Systems]

>individuals should be allowed to choose how they associate
>plutocratic corporations heavily involved in State affairs with an inherent interest in entrenching leftist policy to grow the size of the State so they can better use it to centralize their power over the market should be allowed to censor differing opinion

Hmmm...

I think that I don't have to let someone come onto my property (free of charge) and allow them to voice their opinion in any way.

Again, am I OK with these sites doing this? No, I find it more distasteful than I find Alex Jones... But it's their damned site. M4C doesn't have to allow leftist voices to caw about gun control and "reasonable restrictions."