Store owner shoots robber, with a twist

**ubet** · 08-11-18, 22:28

I'm not sure where he's going to end legally, but this will be one to watch

http://concealednation.org/2018/08/s...bbery-suspect/

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**SteyrAUG** · 08-12-18, 01:52

Originally Posted by ubet

I'm not sure where he's going to end legally, but this will be one to watch

http://concealednation.org/2018/08/s...bbery-suspect/

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Happened in FL a few times with no issues.

**titsonritz** · 08-12-18, 01:57

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Happened in FL a few times with no issues.

Geography is the determining factor in these cases.

**AKDoug** · 08-12-18, 03:53

I commented on this one on Facebook. Regardless of the outcome, this is going to cost him some serious coin in lawyer fees. I am all for "stand your ground" laws in any location, and castle doctrine at your home. I've posted around here several times that I am not shooting someone stealing my stuff outside of my home, including stuff from my business. Just not worth the trouble or the money. I have pretty strong beliefs in the constitution and I value the 5th amendment as much as I do the 2nd. We are not cleared, both in statute and by the U.S. Constitution, to simply start whacking people who are committing theft outside an occupied home.

I'm actually in a similar situation as the guy in this story. My business (that I've owned for 18 yrs) has an alarm system. It notifies me first and not LEO due to the high volumes of false alarms. I then go to the business 3 miles away and determine if I need police. I drive around the building and observe if there are any unauthorized vehicles in the lot. I then check and see for any signs of forced entry on the three points of entry. If I don't see anything I have the alarm company re-set the alarm and I sit out in the parking lot for a while. If someone were to be inside they would set off the motion detectors rather quickly and then I'd call the cops. I've never had anyone actually in the building after an alarm.

If I were to see signs of B&E.. I would just back off and call the cops. No way am I clearing a 12,000 sqft building solo. Just not worth the trouble. My cameras will catch the action if there is any.

Call me a chicken shit, I could care less. I'm going to LIVE to retire AND I'm going to have my money to do it, not give it to some lawyer.

**HMM** · 08-12-18, 06:06

Originally Posted by AKDoug

I commented on this one on Facebook. Regardless of the outcome, this is going to cost him some serious coin in lawyer fees. I am all for "stand your ground" laws in any location, and castle doctrine at your home. I've posted around here several times that I am not shooting someone stealing my stuff outside of my home, including stuff from my business. Just not worth the trouble or the money. I have pretty strong beliefs in the constitution and I value the 5th amendment as much as I do the 2nd. We are not cleared, both in statute and by the U.S. Constitution, to simply start whacking people who are committing theft outside an occupied home.

I'm actually in a similar situation as the guy in this story. My business (that I've owned for 18 yrs) has an alarm system. It notifies me first and not LEO due to the high volumes of false alarms. I then go to the business 3 miles away and determine if I need police. I drive around the building and observe if there are any unauthorized vehicles in the lot. I then check and see for any signs of forced entry on the three points of entry. If I don't see anything I have the alarm company re-set the alarm and I sit out in the parking lot for a while. If someone were to be inside they would set off the motion detectors rather quickly and then I'd call the cops. I've never had anyone actually in the building after an alarm.

If I were to see signs of B&E.. I would just back off and call the cops. No way am I clearing a 12,000 sqft building solo. Just not worth the trouble. My cameras will catch the action if there is any.

Call me a chicken shit, I could care less. I'm going to LIVE to retire AND I'm going to have my money to do it, not give it to some lawyer.

Great advice there!

**LMT Shooter** · 08-12-18, 07:49

Article says the store owner has been charged w/ voluntary manslaughter.

https://wlos.com/news/local/north-ca...fatal-shooting

**ubet** · 08-12-18, 08:25

So you show up, someone is robbing you, and attempts to harm you, you aren't going to defend yourself? Legally is it right what this guy did? That's not for me to decide, morally, I think so. NO ONE has a right to take stuff that I own and have worked for because they're too effing lazy to do legal work. We start loosening laws on shooting burglars, we will start ridding this country of criminals.

Originally Posted by AKDoug

I commented on this one on Facebook. Regardless of the outcome, this is going to cost him some serious coin in lawyer fees. I am all for "stand your ground" laws in any location, and castle doctrine at your home. I've posted around here several times that I am not shooting someone stealing my stuff outside of my home, including stuff from my business. Just not worth the trouble or the money. I have pretty strong beliefs in the constitution and I value the 5th amendment as much as I do the 2nd. We are not cleared, both in statute and by the U.S. Constitution, to simply start whacking people who are committing theft outside an occupied home.

I'm actually in a similar situation as the guy in this story. My business (that I've owned for 18 yrs) has an alarm system. It notifies me first and not LEO due to the high volumes of false alarms. I then go to the business 3 miles away and determine if I need police. I drive around the building and observe if there are any unauthorized vehicles in the lot. I then check and see for any signs of forced entry on the three points of entry. If I don't see anything I have the alarm company re-set the alarm and I sit out in the parking lot for a while. If someone were to be inside they would set off the motion detectors rather quickly and then I'd call the cops. I've never had anyone actually in the building after an alarm.

If I were to see signs of B&E.. I would just back off and call the cops. No way am I clearing a 12,000 sqft building solo. Just not worth the trouble. My cameras will catch the action if there is any.

Call me a chicken shit, I could care less. I'm going to LIVE to retire AND I'm going to have my money to do it, not give it to some lawyer.

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**Mr. Goodtimes** · 08-12-18, 08:38

It’s absolutely ridiculous that the legality of this is even a concern.

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**LMT Shooter** · 08-12-18, 08:58

Originally Posted by ubet

So you show up, someone is robbing you, and attempts to harm you, you aren't going to defend yourself? Legally is it right what this guy did? That's not for me to decide, morally, I think so. NO ONE has a right to take stuff that I own and have worked for because they're too effing lazy to do legal work. We start loosening laws on shooting burglars, we will start ridding this country of criminals.

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+1

Morally, the idea that a property owner is required to have a reason to believe that an intruder is a threat to ones life & safety before deadly force against said intruder can be legally justified, is horseshit. We ought to be allowed, legally, to assume that anyone entering either our property with obvious criminal intent, is a deadly threat, and treat them accordingly. Once they've broken the law by unlawfully entering, why is there ever a requirement to determine how many other laws they're willing to break, endangering lives & safety, before taking action?

We ought to have the right, under any & all circumstances, to confront anyone who violates the sanctity of our property, anytime & anywhere.