Couple to prove people are good; MURDERED

[docsherm]

This is actually quite simple. People all over the world are generally peices of shit. Period. If it took them getting killed to figure that out then oh well. I am glad to see that stupid hurts. People that stupid and naive are a danger to themselves and others. Good riddance.

[jpmuscle]

This is actually quite simple. People all over the world are generally peices of shit. Period. If it took them getting killed to figure that out then oh well. I am glad to see that stupid hurts. People that stupid and naive are a danger to themselves and others. Good riddance.

There seems to be some sort of correlation involving AKs.


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[SteyrAUG]

Pluralist (link cited in the OP) published a slanted, misleading and in some parts factually incorrect story, and they've had to amend it twice as a result.

The cyclists weren't on a mission to prove something political or ideological -- pure bullshit unsupported by anything they said or wrote, but spun that way ex post facto as red meat for those whose ignorance or tilt makes them susceptible to the message.

Tajikistan is neither ISIS territory nor high risk travel destination.

They were travelers who happened to draw the short straw.

Shame there's so much schadenfreude over American citizens killed by terrorists.

As a general rule I'd avoid the "stans" whenever possible. But your update is appreciated.

[Treehopr]

Pluralist (link cited in the OP) published a slanted, misleading and in some parts factually incorrect story, and they've had to amend it twice as a result.

The cyclists weren't on a mission to prove something political or ideological -- pure bullshit unsupported by anything they said or wrote, but spun that way ex post facto as red meat for those whose ignorance or tilt makes them susceptible to the message.

Tajikistan is neither ISIS territory nor high risk travel destination.

They were travelers who happened to draw the short straw.

Shame there's so much schadenfreude over American citizens killed by terrorists.

Agreed, unfortunate that people on this board are so keen to gloat as if our fellow Americans being murdered overseas by ISIS terrorists is somehow a positive thing.

[Honu]

Pluralist (link cited in the OP) published a slanted, misleading and in some parts factually incorrect story, and they've had to amend it twice as a result.

The cyclists weren't on a mission to prove something political or ideological -- pure bullshit unsupported by anything they said or wrote, but spun that way ex post facto as red meat for those whose ignorance or tilt makes them susceptible to the message.

Tajikistan is neither ISIS territory nor high risk travel destination.

They were travelers who happened to draw the short straw.

Shame there's so much schadenfreude over American citizens killed by terrorists.

no pleasure as you claim
purely ignorance and stupidity on their part and I do think what they wrote and the path they took says it all


what they said from their blog

we're not ruling out entire nations simply because something once happened there or because our government and that country's government don't get along so well.

Despite what the news would have you believe, the world is a really wonderful, caring place,

we just have to trust that the vast, vast majority of humans on this planet are warm, friendly people who wish us no harm.

a travel accident would be they went to London or France and got caught up in something !

as someone who has travelled (maybe 15+ countries) lived 3 years of my life out of a two man tent ! and maybe ten years of my life was 3 bags and that was it
and maybe 15,000-20,000 miles of it on bicycle and public buses and hitch hiking through Central America and lived in Honduras I am very aware of this kinda travel and meet a ton of folks who have done this kinda stuff

in my travels I met tons of wonderful local folks and many are kind BUT at the same time as we all know here predators seek you out and will do things to you and you avoid certain places times method of travel etc..

but most I met were not ignorant about bad people or ignore news or warnings etc....
ironic those that were that way always had horror stories

[TomMcC]

Pluralist (link cited in the OP) published a slanted, misleading and in some parts factually incorrect story, and they've had to amend it twice as a result.

The cyclists weren't on a mission to prove something political or ideological -- pure bullshit unsupported by anything they said or wrote, but spun that way ex post facto as red meat for those whose ignorance or tilt makes them susceptible to the message.

Tajikistan is neither ISIS territory nor high risk travel destination.

They were travelers who happened to draw the short straw.

Shame there's so much schadenfreude over American citizens killed by terrorists.

So they weren't trying to show that people are basically good? Where did you find the real story, I'd like to check it out? And it's terrible shame whenever anyone is murdered.

[Hapworth]

So they weren't trying to show that people are basically good? Where did you find the real story, I'd like to check it out? And it's terrible shame whenever anyone is murdered.

They were not trying to show that people are basically good (though that was a stated belief of theirs), or anything else -- that was the implication of a misleading title (that has since been changed) in one inaccurate story (that had to be openly corrected) and other sites and folks ran with it because they uncritically buy into cheap irony and unvetted, shitty narratives if the losers are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, even if that means tacitly approving terrorists murdering U.S. citizens.

Which is f***ed.

The corrections can be found in the source story, linked in the OP.

[Treehopr]

They may have been idealistic, perhaps even naive but they had biked from South Africa to Europe and across both Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan before going in to Tajikistan. Their confidence was well earned.

"The U.S. travel advisory for Tajikistan on July 29, according to a State Department official, was at Level 1, the lowest, which means Americans traveling in the country should “exercise normal precautions.” (On Aug. 3, the advisory was raised to Level 2: “Exercise increased caution.”)"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/w...ke-attack.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.3a31f7ee96aa

[TomMcC]

They were not trying to show that people are basically good (though that was a stated belief of theirs), or anything else -- that was the implication of a misleading title (that has since been changed) in one inaccurate story (that had to be openly corrected) and other sites and folks ran with it because they uncritically buy into cheap irony and unvetted, shitty narratives if the losers are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, even if that means tacitly approving terrorists murdering U.S. citizens.

Which is f***ed.

The corrections can be found in the source story, linked in the OP.

Even though the headline and the basic premise had changed, it's still evident that these two folks have a faulty view of humanity. People may demonstrate various degrees of outward kindness or goodwill but they are still fatally flawed at their very root. And their idea that work is a waste of time is just stupid. Maybe the work that they were doing was a waste of time, but that just proves their ideas were faulty not work.

[SteyrAUG]

They were not trying to show that people are basically good (though that was a stated belief of theirs), or anything else -- that was the implication of a misleading title (that has since been changed) in one inaccurate story (that had to be openly corrected) and other sites and folks ran with it because they uncritically buy into cheap irony and unvetted, shitty narratives if the losers are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, even if that means tacitly approving terrorists murdering U.S. citizens.

Which is f***ed.

The corrections can be found in the source story, linked in the OP.

That is the part that is seriously offensive to me.

Even though the headline and the basic premise had changed, it's still evident that these two folks have a faulty view of humanity. People may demonstrate various degrees of outward kindness or goodwill but they are still fatally flawed at their very root. And their idea that work is a waste of time is just stupid. Maybe the work that they were doing was a waste of time, but that just proves their ideas were faulty not work.

So the legions of humans throughout history, who have sacrificed their own lives to save others, despite that outward kindness...were they still fatally flawed at their root?

I understand humans are capable of horrible things, but I don't think they are inherently bad any more than they are inherently evil. I think there are people who are mostly good and I think there are people who are mostly bad and I think a lot of it is environmental.