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    Question: "Muzzle Energy" vs. "Power Factor"

    All,

    I'm having trouble understanding what's more important -- "muzzle energy" (i.e. kinetic energy1) vs. "power factor" (i.e. momentum2).

    MUZZLE ENERGY

    Most of the reading I've done focuses on energy as the determining factor in the lethality of a given caliber/round. Thus, the conventional wisdom is that you need a minimum of 1,000 foot-pounds of energy to kill a deer and 3,000 foot-pounds to kill a brown bear, etc. But since energy places a lot of emphasis on speed, you can come up with some pretty ridiculous examples.

    Jellyfish: The stinger of a jellyfish is one of the fastest things in nature3. If you do the calculations, a 0.50 nanogram jellyfish stinger traveling at 45,000,000 meters/second = 0.0000000077 grains at 147,637,795.28 feet/second = 373.38 foot-pounds of energy

    Bowling Ball: At the other end of the spectrum, you have world record holders who can throw a 15 pound bowling ball at 27 miles/hour4 = 105,000 grains at 39.60 feet/second = 365.53 foot-pounds of energy

    Comparable "muzzle energy", but what would you rather have hurled at you? A microscopic needle or a 15 pound projectile? Now let's look at bullets.

    9x19mm: 115 grain Winchester FMJ bullet traveling at 1,190 feet/second5 = 361.53 foot-pounds of energy

    .45 ACP: 230 grain Winchester FMJ bullet traveling at 835 feet/second6 = 356.00 foot-pounds of energy

    Again, similar muzzle energy, but which has the better reputation for "knock down"?

    POWER FACTOR

    If we switch from energy to momentum, the numbers above change drastically:

    Jellyfish: The super fast but super light stinger has a power factor of 0.0011 kilo grain-feet/second (or 0.000023 Newton-seconds)

    Bowling Ball: The super slow but super heavy bowling ball has a power factor of 4,158 kilo grain-feet/second (or 82.12 Newton-seconds)

    Makes sense, right? A nanogram thrown at you -- even very very very fast -- ain't gonna do much to you, but a 15 pound bowling ball hurled at 27 miles/hour towards your face is going to hurt. And comparing bullets:

    9x19mm: power factor of 136.85 kilo grain-feet/second (or 2.70 Newton-seconds)

    .45 ACP: power factor of 192.05 kilo grain-feet/second (or 3.79 Newton-seconds)

    Again, makes sense: .45 is perceived as having more stopping power than 9mm.

    QUESTION

    So is muzzle energy still the king?

    If so, why is .308 Winchester (~2700 ft-lbs) considered inadequate for large predators (e.g. grizzly):
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...08-for-Grizzly

    But .458 SOCOM (~2500 ft-lbs) is considered good to go?
    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...g-Bear-Defense

    Is it the greater power factor of .458 (600 kgr-ft/s) vs .308 (463 kgr-ft/s)? Or is it something else -- sectional density? Bullet weight and diameter? Expansion and penetration? What am I missing here?

    Taylor has one answer:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_KO_Factor

    Looking for additional insight from the experts here at m4carbine.net

    Respectfully,
    butlers


    FOOTNOTES

    1 Source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_energy

    2 Source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_...ooting_sports)

    3 Sources:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0508180735.htm
    https://www.popsci.com/jellyfish-syringe-sting

    4 Source:
    https://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/14269

    5 Source:
    https://www.luckygunner.com/winchest...fmj-ammunition

    6 Source:
    https://www.luckygunner.com/winchest...0fmjwinusa-500
    Last edited by butlers; 08-25-18 at 03:15.
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