Mk 262 - Military usage

[JediGuy]

I’ve read a fair amount about the benefits of the Black Hills ammo for both longer range and shorter barrel work.

So who in the US military is using it? Why wasn’t/isn’t this rolled out instead of 855A1 or the never-ending search for a second intermediate cartridge?

I initially started this in the general board, and was kindly directed here...

It sounded like the issue was lack of barrier penetration?

[1168]

I’ve read a fair amount about the benefits of the Black Hills ammo for both longer range and shorter barrel work.

So who in the US military is using it? Why wasn’t/isn’t this rolled out instead of 855A1 or the never-ending search for a second intermediate cartridge?

I initially started this in the general board, and was kindly directed here...

It sounded like the issue was lack of barrier penetration?

Snipers and designated marksmen. Some shooting teams. Some doorkickers, mostly on a pilfered basis.

Barrier penetration is inferior to 855a1 and brown tip. Armor penetration is inferior to 855a1. It (262) is excellent for clear shots on unarmored targets, and effs dudes up with direct torso hits. It also suffers less velocity loss delta from short barrels. So, paradoxically, while 262 is well suited for precision rifles 18”-20”, it is also well suited for 10.3” guns. But many 10.3” users are issued 70tsx. For general use from 14.5” guns (and others), the average goon is best served by m855a1, as is the taxpayer. M855A1 is pretty badass, actually.

[indianalex01]

Snipers and designated marksmen. Some shooting teams. Some doorkickers, mostly on a pilfered basis.

Barrier penetration is inferior to 855a1 and brown tip. Armor penetration is inferior to 855a1. It (262) is excellent for clear shots on unarmored targets, and effs dudes up with direct torso hits. It also suffers less velocity loss delta from short barrels. So, paradoxically, while 262 is well suited for precision rifles 18”-20”, it is also well suited for 10.3” guns. But many 10.3” users are issued 70tsx. For general use from 14.5” guns (and others), the average goon is best served by m855a1, as is the taxpayer. M855A1 is pretty badass, actually.

You are leaving out the very deadly 62gn MK318 MOD 1 SOST Barrier Blind round. Still being used in large quantities by USMC.

[vicious_cb]

I’ve read a fair amount about the benefits of the Black Hills ammo for both longer range and shorter barrel work.

So who in the US military is using it? Why wasn’t/isn’t this rolled out instead of 855A1 or the never-ending search for a second intermediate cartridge?

I initially started this in the general board, and was kindly directed here...

It sounded like the issue was lack of barrier penetration?

Because unless there is a precision requirement there is no need to run Mk262. The awesomeness of Mk262 is overblown, the only reason it got the reputation it got is because how poorly M855 performed in comparison, M855 isnt exactly hard to beat. M855A1, SOST, Browntip are all better choices if you dont need to shoot anything at long range.

[Pappabear]

Im no military guy, never claimed to be. But I would be more than happy to go to battle with BH Mk262. Velocity and accuracy is amazing.

PB

[markm]

The awesomeness of Mk262 is overblown, the only reason it got the reputation it got is because how poorly M855 performed in comparison, M855 isnt exactly hard to beat.

This is it, for sure. I've only ALMOST had a chance to see/get a few rounds of M855A1 on two occasions. So now matter how great it is, if you can't reliably get the stuff, who cares? That.. and isn't it loaded to nearly proof round pressures?

For most civilian use, any 77 gr OTM load is a great choice.

[indianalex01]

This is it, for sure. I've only ALMOST had a chance to see/get a few rounds of M855A1 on two occasions. So now matter how great it is, if you can't reliably get the stuff, who cares? That.. and isn't it loaded to nearly proof round pressures?

For most civilian use, any 77 gr OTM load is a great choice.

Mk318 SOST can be gotten. As good as M855A1 and better then 262 damage and penetration wise. Great accuracy as well.

[markm]

Mk318 SOST can be gotten. As good as M855A1 and better then 262 damage and penetration wise. Great accuracy as well.

I think Pappabear may have purchased some of that. We shot some magical ammo a while back... just for groups and stuff on his Faxon pencil barrel.

[1168]

You are leaving out the very deadly 62gn MK318 MOD 1 SOST Barrier Blind round. Still being used in large quantities by USMC.

I have no direct experience with it. The design seems good, and I’m glad USMC had the stones to adopt it.

I was really skeptical of 855a1 when it came out, but have come to like it.

[MegademiC]

Why dont we issue out guys tbbc or some other bonded round for general purpose.

Seems like an accurate bonded SP (tbbc or 75gr golddot)and AP ammo would satisfy everything... but bbonded stuff has lead and thats icky...
At least thats what Ive gathered, please correct if wrong because Im curious.