Is there a can that makes 5.56/.223 hearing safe outside? Inside?

[cab11150904]

I want to suppress my 10.5in home defense pistol and know that if the need arises to use it I won't be in the mindset to throw on ear pro. Does there exist a can that would make it hearing safe since auditory exclusion only protects your senses for lack of a better explanation and not your hearing. Also at what distance on average does .223 go supersonic as my bump in the night plan involves a set of stairs no longer than 20 feet as a funnel and contact point. Failing that is there at least a can that will make it hearing safe outside? Third option. Do I just throw a 300BLK upper on it and suppress that?

[boombotz401]

Actual hearing safe...I doubt it

I would consider my sandman S indoors on my 10.5 bearable to break off a couple indoors but nothing sustained


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[Smokin338]

None that I know of, especially out of a 10.5" barrel... may be possible if you throw on say a 338 caliber can.

[MistWolf]

I'd rather fire a10.5" 5.56 indoors than an unsuppressed anything else. It may not be "hearing safe" but it will be far less damaging to the ears than firing an unsuppressed 16" AR. Less damaging than shooting an unsuppressed 9mm handgun.

[joshua_capitolarmory]

I'd rather fire a10.5" 5.56 indoors than an unsuppressed anything else. It may not be "hearing safe" but it will be far less damaging to the ears than firing an unsuppressed 16" AR. Less damaging than shooting an unsuppressed 9mm handgun.

I'm not sure exactly when it goes super, probably 3" from chamber would be my best guess.

Inside, no. No can will do that, the reflection of the crack is going to be all over the place, and over 140. Outside, you could get below 140 to the shooter..... but keep in mind 140 dB is an OSHA standard for impulse noises. It's not "safe" it's just not as dangerous.

But who cares... if it's for home defense you'll most likely (by a huge margin) never even shoot it. If you do, you aren't dumping mags and mags. It's going to wake you up, but it's a whole lot less damage than if it was unsuppressed. It's like saying "Well, I can cut your arm so you'll need a couple stitches, or I can just saw it entirely off." Both aren't good, but one is a whole lot worse.

[MegademiC]

IMO “hearing safe” is way overblown. Its not a job- OSHA isnt regulating your HD situation, and its rare/wont happen.

Choose the best gun, throw a silencer on it and your in a very good situation.
140 isnt a line that anything under does no damage, and anything over will make you deaf.

[MistWolf]

I think of it as "taking a cut" to keep from being victimized.

[BWT]

I'd rather fire a10.5" 5.56 indoors than an unsuppressed anything else. It may not be "hearing safe" but it will be far less damaging to the ears than firing an unsuppressed 16" AR. Less damaging than shooting an unsuppressed 9mm handgun.

I am curious why you're under the impression that a 10.5'' is quieter than a 16'' 5.56mm (ETA: Disregard I just realized you were referring to a 10.5'' suppressed AR versus a 16'' unsuppressed AR - reading is fundamental).

I had an ear plug fall out and fired two or three shots in a shooting match and had no ringing with a 16''.

I also once had a friend shoot an Mini-14 once and my ears rang for days.

Auditory exclusion is a thing.

That being said, I've fired a 12 GA with no ear plug out of a 26-28'' barrel bird shot and honestly - it wasn't the worst thing in the world. Mild ringing.

Out of an SBS 12 GA with a 10-12'' barrel. I honestly had almost an out of body experience is the best way I can describe it. I had a moment where it took a second for me to realize what just happened - my friend's shoulders were shaking and he was smiling (I realized laughing) and I heard nothing. I emptied the rest of the tube into that tree (3-4 shots). My ears rang probably for the next 2-3 hours and I couldn't hear much if anything.

I knew nothing about guns and hearing loss - that was my first experience with a firearm. My friend was a redneck and from the persuasion that ear plugs weren't necessary.

That's been my experience with barrel lengths of the same caliber.

God Bless,

Brandon

ETA: I now wear ear plugs and muffs and I just don't screw with anything that makes my ears ring at all. I had an .45 Osprey that we were sound metering (I did a meet up with a group from NFA Talk) and that was too loud (mild ears ringing). All AR's (10.5'', 14.5'', 16''), SCAR's, and really you name it in 5.56mm have made my ears ring from the supersonic crack. .308 Bolt Action and SCAR 17 as well. That may be back to my prior experiences with hearing loss - I fully realize that, but I'm just not playing that game ever again.

This is why I also haven't bought a suppressor. I thought about it for a .22 LR and that was worth it on a Ruger MK II (Or MK III) with an SWR Spectre. But, that was the cost of another AR.

Personally, I didn't feel an accessory that cost as much (or more) than the host firearm was worth it. I came close to an SWR Spectre for my Browning Buckmark. I bought a 16'' BCM Midlength instead and never looked back.

I still think about an Dead Air Mask HD, but for $649 OTD (Transfer fees, silencers, plus regular sales tax, etc.) - I'll just get the Glock 34 Gen 5 I've been considering.

[Pappabear]

I am curious why you're under the impression that a 10.5'' is quieter than a 16'' 5.56mm (ETA: Disregard I just realized you were referring to a 10.5'' suppressed AR versus a 16'' unsuppressed AR - reading is fundamental).

I had an ear plug fall out and fired two or three shots in a shooting match and had no ringing with a 16''.

I also once had a friend shoot an Mini-14 once and my ears rang for days.

Auditory exclusion is a thing.

That being said, I've fired a 12 GA with no ear plug out of a 26-28'' barrel bird shot and honestly - it wasn't the worst thing in the world. Mild ringing.

Out of an SBS 12 GA with a 10-12'' barrel. I honestly had almost an out of body experience is the best way I can describe it. I had a moment where it took a second for me to realize what just happened - my friend's shoulders were shaking and he was smiling (I realized laughing) and I heard nothing. I emptied the rest of the tube into that tree (3-4 shots). My ears rang probably for the next 2-3 hours and I couldn't hear much if anything.

I knew nothing about guns and hearing loss - that was my first experience with a firearm. My friend was a redneck and from the persuasion that ear plugs weren't necessary.

That's been my experience with barrel lengths of the same caliber.

God Bless,

Brandon

ETA: I now wear ear plugs and muffs and I just don't screw with anything that makes my ears ring at all. I had an .45 Osprey that we were sound metering (I did a meet up with a group from NFA Talk) and that was too loud (mild ears ringing). All AR's (10.5'', 14.5'', 16''), SCAR's, and really you name it in 5.56mm have made my ears ring from the supersonic crack. .308 Bolt Action and SCAR 17 as well. That may be back to my prior experiences with hearing loss - I fully realize that, but I'm just not playing that game ever again.

This is why I also haven't bought a suppressor. I thought about it for a .22 LR and that was worth it on a Ruger MK II (Or MK III) with an SWR Spectre. But, that was the cost of another AR.

Personally, I didn't feel an accessory that cost as much (or more) than the host firearm was worth it. I came close to an SWR Spectre for my Browning Buckmark. I bought a 16'' BCM Midlength instead and never looked back.

I still think about an Dead Air Mask HD, but for $649 OTD (Transfer fees, silencers, plus regular sales tax, etc.) - I'll just get the Glock 34 Gen 5 I've been considering.

I think he is saying a 10.5 Suppressed. Vs anything NOT suppressed

[Eurodriver]

I’ve placed a 5gal bucket filled with damp sand in a bathroom and shot a 10.5” 5.56 AR straight down into it. I was wearing plugs and ear muffs and it still sucked the breath from my lungs out through my nose. It was jarring, to put it mildly. I couldn’t imagine doing that at night, under stress, with potentially multiple rounds flying in each direction.

The 11.5” with a suppressor was merely “annoying” by comparison. I wore no ear pro and experienced mild ringing but it wasn’t bad at all.

If I still believed in using firearms to defend myself and keeping an AR out I would absolutely use a suppressor. I’m sure as hell not throwing on ear pro at 2am, and I consider shooting an SBR indoors in a confined space a safety hazard for the shooter if only due to the disorientation alone.

FWIW I don’t recommend the bucket thing. Sand was EVERYWHERE and stuck to the walls, door, ceiling, etc. it was terrible. Stained the paint on the walls and everything. If you have a wife or live-in girlfriend they might not like that. I recommend Tinder.