For those of you running home defense ARs do you use hollow point 5.56/.223?

**Rooster59** · 02-11-23, 12:19

Unless you are Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, etc your in home defense scenarios are likely to be no more than 5-10 yards max. End to end my house is 60'. Keeping a consistent zero between practice and HD ammo is superfluous. At that distance you should be able to shoot from the hip for vitals shots. Or keep practicing.

If you are talking defense outdoors on a 500+ acre ranch then consistent POI matters. Muzzle velocity and penetration also. But then why use a pistol length AR?

With a 10-30 round mag FBI level penetration indoors is irrelevant. Barrier blind ammo and deep penetration should be the opposite of your optimum choice.

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**vicious_cb** · 02-11-23, 17:01

Originally Posted by Rooster59

Unless you are Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, etc your in home defense scenarios are likely to be no more than 5-10 yards max. End to end my house is 60'. Keeping a consistent zero between practice and HD ammo is superfluous. At that distance you should be able to shoot from the hip for vitals shots. Or keep practicing.

If you are talking defense outdoors on a 500+ acre ranch then consistent POI matters. Muzzle velocity and penetration also. But then why use a pistol length AR?

With a 10-30 round mag FBI level penetration indoors is irrelevant. Barrier blind ammo and deep penetration should be the opposite of your optimum choice.

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Had me going there for a minute. Good one though, I had a laugh.

**1168** · 02-11-23, 22:05

Yeah, thats ridiculous.

**Rooster59** · 02-12-23, 06:33

It's called instinctive shooting. Basketball players, baseball players, quarterbacks, hockey players, medieval archers all use or used it to great effect. But it takes practice. Some can, some can't. If you can toss a ring onto the neck of a soda bottle at the county fair it is likely you can do it too....with practice.

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**Wake27** · 02-12-23, 06:42

Originally Posted by Rooster59

It's called instinctive shooting. Basketball players, baseball players, quarterbacks, hockey players, medieval archers all use or used it to great effect. But it takes practice. Some can, some can't. If you can toss a ring onto the neck of a soda bottle at the county fair it is likely you can do it too....with practice.

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Oh, you're serious.

**1168** · 02-12-23, 10:21

Originally Posted by Wake27

Oh, you're serious.

He’s SFOD-D’s next shooting coach. Point shooting is why all of SOF’s most capable shooters haven’t bothered driving professional rifle and pistol optics T&E and adoption. Oh wait.

**pinzgauer** · 02-12-23, 11:17

Not to defend point shooting for home defense...

But I read his comments as pointing out that for 99% of folks the difference in point of impact between home defense ammo and others is negligible. Given typical home defense 5 to 15 yd engagement range.

Doesn't mean you don't try to get it right, just that a quarter inch POI shift at 15-25 yards is negligible.

I'm ready for longer if needed, but my personal gut sense is that home defense shots longer than 25 yd start becoming harder to defend.

Not that there won't be occasional legitimate exceptions, especially if you somehow had someone blasting at you with a rifle from a hundred yards away. But that's pretty rare in the US.

Myself and family hunt with AR so we full well understand the trajectory and use battle sight concepts. (Nothing new, Jack O'Connor pioneered it with the 270 in the '60s and I was using by the mid '70s)

**BufordTJustice** · 02-12-23, 21:42

Originally Posted by WS6

I've continued on the path of 70gr TSX. Everything I have ever shot with it has evidenced exceptional trauma.

I'm on the 70gr homogenous solid train as well with the 70gr GMX TAP. Same results. Would just as gladly use 70gr TSX.

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