Reads like a premeditated murder to me. I have to wonder if this was some kind of murder plot, and the 911 call and everything was just a clever cover story.
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Reads like a premeditated murder to me. I have to wonder if this was some kind of murder plot, and the 911 call and everything was just a clever cover story.
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This ‘swat’ing will end when we charge people with murder for false reports where a death occurs. The MIL should be doing hard time right now.
If it ain’t legal for me shoot people in my yard, you shouldn’t be able to shoot from my yard into my house.
Similar to the POS Leo here in Aurora who shot into a house, killing a guy who had just defended his family by shooting an intruder.
The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.
It's that simple.
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And the mother in law.....you'd think adults would act like adults
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The new article posted in the OP does not tell the complete or accurate story. Y’all need to slow your roll and check your facts.
More info here: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/37168755...olice-shooting
The GBI and the grand jury cleared the deputy because homeowner pointed his gun at the Deputy.
Gun in hand vs gun pointed at you are two VERY different situations.
It is still a shitty situation but mistake of fact shooting happen regularly - that is the real world. The deputy is a victim here. Cleared or not he has to live with killing an innocent person. This was a straight up “SWATing” case and like the recent SWATing case in KS the caller is the villain here.
The deceased’s adult daughter was living with him and his wife due to a separation from her husband. Deputies were responding to a false 911 call from the daughters mother in law claiming the daughter had called and threatened her.
GBI determined PC that the mother in law lied in her 911 call (phone records are easy enough to check) so what I want to know is:
1) why did the judge unilaterally dismiss the false report charge against the MIL ?
2) since the false report resulted in a death why aren’t they charging the MIL with manslaughter ?
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And we know the guy pointed the gun because the cop who shot him told us? Or his cop buddies told us? Of course that makes it all OK.
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It very much "depends." LA SWAT shot at the SLA from outside the house, before they burned it down and it was the right thing to do. And it IS legal to shoot someone in your yard if they are pointing a gun at you or something similar.Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand
Two really good questions and sounds like there is lots more to the story.
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This is the 21st century - patrol cops wear body cams. Not to mention ballistics and trajectory evidence.
If someone pointed a gun at you and did not respond to verbal ID / commands - what would you do ?
If you are on a gun forum and your answer is anything but shoot you are lying.
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Correct.
Again “someone in your yard” and “someone in your yard pointing a gun at you” are two different situations. In the latter situation, it may very well be legal to shoot someone in your yard.
It would be interesting to know the exact lighting conditions and whether or not the deceased had a flashlight.
If he did, would it have been useful in making a positive ID of the uniformed deputy ? If he had been able to ID the deputy would he still have pointed his gun at him ? Likely not.
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It's shitty all around.
If you are the responding officer and you see "man with a gun" inside the window. Is he pointing it at an intruder or is he the bad guy and about to kill an innocent person? Are you about the kill an innocent man or are you about to rescue the innocent victim in the next four seconds with your decision?
If the gun is pointed at the officer outside, that's a lot easier. And this is why people who initiate "fake gunman calls" need to be charged with murder just like the getaway driver in a 7-11 robbery gone bad takes a murder rap also even though he never got out of the car. People tend to pull as much shit as they can get away with.
Once upon a time "I only drove" got you out of the hot seat, now lots of people think twice because they know it can cost.
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Everything you have posited is logical and makes sense. But, there are too many variables with all of this and every shooting and situation in life.
Without seeing video or specific details, I try to put myself in these scenarios and determine what I would likely do. I think about how dynamic and quickly these situations unfold and wonder how quickly I would process the information into a reaction.
If multiple people approached me in a calm, yet serious/aggressive demeanor and one individual clear clear commands I could process and follow, I'd like to think I would be able to assess the situation appropriately and act accordingly.
But, if the situation was a bit more dramatic and multiple people with guns advancing aggressively, simultaneously shouting commands at me that were hard to understand let alone process and follow- I might point my gun that way believing I was in imminent danger and needing to defend myself.
Add in bad lighting, possible bad vision, a beer with dinner or being sleep deprived; or multiple variations thereof affecting my decisions... Things get tough.
We're humans, we can only do the best with what we have to work with.
Sucks real bad for the dead guy, also sucks for the LEO that has to live with this. These incidents just suck all around.
I do feel this is an excellent opportunity for discussion of the lack of diversified training and funds most LE departments face and the reality of tactics and emotions changing; especially due to the perception/fear created by LEO's being increasingly targeted by and under attack from fringe groups in society.
Adding in the main stream media, Hollywood and entertainment industries in general fanning the flames of all this, celebrities kneeling, politicians/those looked upon as leaders (Albeit far from it) advocating all sorts of crazy shit, deeper division and divide in this country overall- things are complicated and tensions are really high.
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