Man killed carrying inside his own house

**MorphCross** · 09-07-18, 02:22

Reading between the lines the whole situation was a giant poop show. While I have no idea how Parkinson's home is set up it strikes me as very odd that their kitchen window is at a angle viewable from someone knocking at the door. Second, the Sheriff Deputy was responding to a call where he believes someone is threatening the lives of others would it not behoove them to have their red and blue lightbar strobing? Finally the Judge dropping the case on the mother-in-law just because the victim's family did not show up in court is a complete and total dick move.

**flenna** · 09-07-18, 03:09

Originally Posted by HCM

This is the 21st century - patrol cops wear body cams. Not to mention ballistics and trajectory evidence.

If someone pointed a gun at you and did not respond to verbal ID / commands - what would you do ?

If you are on a gun forum and your answer is anything but shoot you are lying.

It would be interesting to see the body cam footage, if there is any. This happened in January just after midnight. The window was probably closed, it was light inside the house and dark outside. Could the man inside the home really see anything at all through the window? Could he hear commands to drop the gun with the window closed and his dogs barking?

**MorphCross** · 09-07-18, 03:19

Taking the economics of Walker County Alabama into account I would be surprised if their Sheriff Deputies are even sporting body cams. Not all counties or PDs in some of the more populated regions of the US are running them. KCPD for one.

**mack7.62** · 09-07-18, 07:09

Originally Posted by HCM

This is the 21st century - patrol cops wear body cams. Not to mention ballistics and trajectory evidence.

If someone pointed a gun at you and did not respond to verbal ID / commands - what would you do ?

If you are on a gun forum and your answer is anything but shoot you are lying.

And if there was body cam footage showing a justified shooting it would have been released. So guy goes in kitchen and turns on lights, he can no longer see out windows, officer outside in dark sees gun pointed at window and kills innocent man. What would I do, I like to think I would step out of line of fire, knowing the person I am watching cannot see me and observe. But I am not a highly trained police officer who has it drilled into my head that "everyone with a gun is a threat", "the only important thing is that I get to go home at end of watch" and "even if it's a bad shoot, if it's a white guy the union and grand jury will protect me".

**sundance435** · 09-07-18, 10:00

Didn't this thread get locked last time? I think the only thing everyone can agree on is that MIL should be held accountable for something. There have been a handful of cases recently where the "Swat-er"-caller was charged. It's kind of a slam-dunk manslaughter charge, since no reasonable person would believe that making a "dangerous, armed person" call to the police wouldn't result in a situation with a high probability of death or GBH for someone...it gets greyer as you go down the rabbit hole of causation, though, to obtain a conviction - at least as many laws are currently written. The law needs to be updated to reflect these kinds of incidents.

**TAZ** · 09-07-18, 10:26

Originally Posted by MorphCross

Reading between the lines the whole situation was a giant poop show. While I have no idea how Parkinson's home is set up it strikes me as very odd that their kitchen window is at a angle viewable from someone knocking at the door. Second, the Sheriff Deputy was responding to a call where he believes someone is threatening the lives of others would it not behoove them to have their red and blue lightbar strobing? Finally the Judge dropping the case on the mother-in-law just because the victim's family did not show up in court is a complete and total dick move.

This is a shit show. It seems neither the victim’s family NOR law enforcement showed up for the 911 abuse case. I’ll wager they figured it was a waste of time to charge a murdering POS with a misdemeanor 911 abuse charge. Absolutely no justice there.

I think it’s about time that abuse of 911 laws are updated to better reflect the utter stupidity of our nation. Although, it’s going to be the equivalent of pissing in the wind trying to prove intent in most cases.

**ramairthree** · 09-07-18, 10:55

I really don’t know enough about what happened to judge.

With some videos on other cases here my replies have been:

That was straight up murder, to which everyone agrees.

He handled that professionally, with some agreeing, some not.

Those were a total bunch of assclowns, with some disagreeing so much I was getting PMs about how people stand in a doorway and running up to stand in a doorway, and running up to shoot virtually foxhole periscope style in the doorway after flagging each other and not turning on Eotech s and such were not assclowns.

Good shoot. With most not agreeing.

And that was with videos.

**26 Inf** · 09-07-18, 11:44

Originally Posted by HCM

This is the 21st century - patrol cops wear body cams. Not to mention ballistics and trajectory evidence.

If someone pointed a gun at you and did not respond to verbal ID / commands - what would you do ?

If you are on a gun forum and your answer is anything but shoot you are lying.

Well, call me a liar, been there done that. Out side a modular home one midnight, I was looking through a window, covering my partner,who was knocking on the door. A dog in a pen outside was going apeshit. Guy walks into the kitchen with a shotgun, I holler, 'Dave, he's got a gun' at the same time rapping on the window and hollering police. As he was turning towards me I thought to myself, no way he heard me with this fvcking dog barking and rolled out of the way.

Dave and I both scrambled to harder cover, had dispatch call the house and tell the guy to come out. Which he did.