Mass shooting - Cincinnati (5 shot, 3 dead, 1 critical, perp dead)

[RetroRevolver77]

Why did the cop lay his rifle down to draw his handgun?!?!?!

Maybe he was afraid of over penetration with so many people possible in the lobby.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Why did the cop lay his rifle down to draw his handgun?!?!?!

Was there not a mag or did he have a 10 rounder in there?

I thought I heard some full auto (at a pretty good rate)??

Did the rifleman run out of ammo and ditch it?

The shooter seemed pretty cool. Walking around, one handing it. Dressed in business attire. Looked almost like the movie HEAT bank robbery scene.

1 cop runs across the windows (0:54)
We see a cop with a rifle (0:58) so now we have the cop who ran across the windows, the rifle laying down cop and the body cam cop.
at 1:01 you can see a (new?) set of feet of someone just to the right of the body cam cop who is standing in front of the windows. Was this the guy shooting full auto? You never see above his thighs.

They released the body cams with the least useful viewpoints.

[dwhitehorne]

I see it all the time in training. A career of carrying shotguns with no slings and nobody slings their rifle when they jump out of the car under stress. I constantly see people set the long gun down on the ground in the kneeling when they have to transition to the handgun. We did it for years with the shotgun because of safely keeping the muzzle down range. Lots of seasoned officers also feel the need to go to the handgun going around corners or into doorways. Under stress you always revert back to your most basic training unless you have spent years training differently. I hope the number two guy picked it up. David

[TAZ]

Interesting. Arrested in Broward county for among other things resisting arrest; yet he is out and about walking and able to legally purchase guns. What does that now make the tally of “known to police”, previous criminal activity unpunished, unreported,...

We don’t have a gun problem or a violence problem, but a legal system problem.

[eodinert]

It looked to me like the cop with the rifle never had a magazine (in the video). I think he accidentally dropped his magazine, had one round in the chamber, fired it, and realized what happened and abandoned the rifle.

Edit: I just watched the vid again, I don't think he ever got a shot off. I think he brought an unloaded rifle to a gun fight. He also has one of those Hk style three point slings that were popular in the early 2000's on the rifle. I don't think he's very familiar with it (the rifle). I looked on the ground on the way to the scene for the magazine, and didn't see it, so it's probably in his car somewhere.

Props to the female cop wearing the body cam. She's a bad ass.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CdKwX_1536350886

[Sam]

Edit: I just watched the vid again, I don't think he ever got a shot off. I think he brought an unloaded rifle to a gun fight. He also has one of those Hk style three point slings that were popular in the early 2000's on the rifle. I don't think he's very familiar with it (the rifle). I looked on the ground on the way to the scene for the magazine, and didn't see it, so it's probably in his car somewhere.



https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CdKwX_1536350886

I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.

[flenna]

It looked to me like the cop with the rifle never had a magazine (in the video). I think he accidentally dropped his magazine, had one round in the chamber, fired it, and realized what happened and abandoned the rifle.

Edit: I just watched the vid again, I don't think he ever got a shot off. I think he brought an unloaded rifle to a gun fight. He also has one of those Hk style three point slings that were popular in the early 2000's on the rifle. I don't think he's very familiar with it (the rifle). I looked on the ground on the way to the scene for the magazine, and didn't see it, so it's probably in his car somewhere.

Props to the female cop wearing the body cam. She's a bad ass.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CdKwX_1536350886

Watch her shots through the glass- she follows the shooter all the way to the floor.

[Averageman]

I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.

And left an AR and a magazine behind unattended.

[thepatriot2705]

Search @abbyanstead on Twitter. Looks like the shitstain used a taurus g2c and suffered a jam. Apparently purchased gun on August 2nd. Another interesting thing to note is that he had roughly 200 rounds of ammo in boxes with him. Didn’t have them loaded in magazines. I don’t think he was that familiar with the weapon...

[Ron3]

I watched that video several times, at least 5 times. At the 1:27 mark, the officer with the AR fired one shot and the magazine dropped, a clear distinct sound of loaded mag on concrete, he yelled "fu c k" then fumbled with the rifle as he dropped it and drew the handgun.

I watched it several times too, looking for the magazine. It wasn't until I read the above, watched the video again, and very clearly heard the mag dropping.

I think what sounded like full-auto are pistol shots, glass breaking, and echoes from each.

I've never thought rock-in magazines (AK, M14, etc) were inferior to straight-in, just a different choice.

How many times have we all laughed at guys who fire a shot (or less) as the magazine falls to the ground during a competition/training? Too many to count. Glad the cop is okay. He's now the .gif for push-pull!