Research: Looking for Documented cases of a Speed Reload saving a good guy.

[Voodoo_Man]

As the title says, I am doing research for an article.

Does anyone have any videos or police reports which show that a speed reload saved a good guy during a pistol fight / DGU ?

LEO shoots and revolver involved shoots do not count, try to keep it in the last 20 or so years.

Looking for verifiable real situations, no "my buddy's brother's cousin..." type stuff.

[Ron3]

Here is an easy one:

"Before the call that changed Sergeant Timothy Gramins’ life forever, he typically carried 47 rounds of handgun ammunition on his person while on duty.

Today, he carries 145, “every day, without fail.”

He detailed the gunfight that caused the difference in a gripping presentation at the annual conference of the Assn. of SWAT Personnel-Wisconsin.

At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations."

https://www.policeone.com/police-her...mo-on-the-job/

AW, man. Just saw you wrote LEO shootings don't count.

[Aries144]

I can say this: when you've been faced with someone you know can take you if you make the slightest mistake, afterward you spend a lot of time thinking about how to prevent a bad guy from getting the upper hand. Dealing with some of the angry stupid people I have, the idea of holding an empty weapon after just having fired at them and failed to neutralize is just about the worst feeling I can think of. You want out of that situation more than you want air. What that cop says about feeling alone is no ****ing joke.

Not all bad guys are the kind who run away after a gun is drawn or even fired in their direction. I've known some of them. Being drawn down on is a mortal insult to these types. They aren't quitting that engagement easily, they won't forget that you held a gun on them once if they do decide to run, and they won't show mercy if they get their hands on you or your family members.

If you aren't really good at hand-to-hand, or if you are but you're of small stature, you absolutely do not want to be holding an empty weapon that you've just emptied in a close engagement, regardless of whether or not some easy street urbanite thinks it isn't important because he can't find any references to it being important on the internet. (not directed at you Voodoo, I've had this discussion before)

[Moose-Knuckle]

OP, have you looked into any of Jim Cirillos work?

He use to say that the fastest re-load was another gun, he was on NYPD's infamous Stakeout Squad during the 70's. So we're talking wheel guns but the man survived more gun fights than any other modern LEO that I can think of.

[Voodoo_Man]

I can say this: when you've been faced with someone you know can take you if you make the slightest mistake, afterward you spend a lot of time thinking about how to prevent a bad guy from getting the upper hand. Dealing with some of the angry stupid people I have, the idea of holding an empty weapon after just having fired at them and failed to neutralize is just about the worst feeling I can think of. You want out of that situation more than you want air. What that cop says about feeling alone is no ****ing joke.

Not all bad guys are the kind who run away after a gun is drawn or even fired in their direction. I've known some of them. Being drawn down on is a mortal insult to these types. They aren't quitting that engagement easily, they won't forget that you held a gun on them once if they do decide to run, and they won't show mercy if they get their hands on you or your family members.

If you aren't really good at hand-to-hand, or if you are but you're of small stature, you absolutely do not want to be holding an empty weapon that you've just emptied in a close engagement, regardless of whether or not some easy street urbanite thinks it isn't important because he can't find any references to it being important on the internet. (not directed at you Voodoo, I've had this discussion before)

All that is well and fine, but it does absolutely nothing towards giving me what I asked for in the OP.

If you have the examples I asked for post them, otherwise please refrain from posting banter.

OP, have you looked into any of Jim Cirillos work?

He use to say that the fastest re-load was another gun, he was on NYPD's infamous Stakeout Squad during the 70's. So we're talking wheel guns but the man survived more gun fights than any other modern LEO that I can think of.

I have, but it's tantamount to "my brother's sisters cousin did this..." As I cannot actually validate some of the claims. Hence why I am limiting the questions to the last twenty or so years.

[THCDDM4]

This is going to be very hard info to find. Documentation likely only exists in police reports or court filings. Everything else is just going to be someones word or account you won't be able to verify anyways.

Gunfights aren't often caught on video, and not often do you see everything that is going on.

If you do find what you're looking for, please post it herein.

[Voodoo_Man]

This is going to be very hard info to find. Documentation likely only exists in police reports or court filings. Everything else is just going to be someones word or account you won't be able to verify anyways.

Gunfights aren't often caught on video, and not often do you see everything that is going on.

If you do find what you're looking for, please post it herein.

So far not one person can post a single link to a story, a video, a news article, nothing to show that a speed reload has ever been used in a gunfight in the last twenty years in a civilian non-LE capacity.

[THCDDM4]

So far not one person can post a single link to a story, a video, a news article, nothing to show that a speed reload has ever been used in a gunfight in the last twenty years in a civilian non-LE capacity.

It's not surprising. From what I've gleaned and discussed with folks much more in the know than I; the speed or tactical reload is statistically non existent in real world gun fights.

Certain high speed folks don't even train it for that reason.

It makes sense in the dynamics of a real world gun fight.

When I was first told this, it didn't resonate with me, but the more I looked at real world shoots it stared to make sense.

So much stress, usually poor training/skills overall and gun fights either end quickly or people get the hell out of dodge or go to cover when they run out of ammo in their primary magazine.

[Moose-Knuckle]

It's not surprising. From what I've gleaned and discussed with folks much more in the know than I; the speed or tactical reload is statistically non existent in real world gun fights.

That and most people nowadays who CCW carry something akin to a G19, a compact handgun that holds sixteen rounds. Most self-defense scenarios which is what we talking about here concerning CCW is only going to involve a couple of rounds being fired. I cannot think off a story off the top of my head where a civilian has been in a sustained firefight.

[AKDoug]

**never mind**