And This is How Civil Wars Begin....

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I said nothing about European conservatives.

No you didn't. You tried to tie US conservatives with the EU right. The right and left in the EU are collectivists of either national or social groups- directly opposed to the idea individual rights, which is a more common in the US and a typical conservative value. The left in the US has abandoned their "Liberal" school of thought and have gone for govt control and the idea of group rights.

[Gödel]

You tried to tie US conservatives with the EU right. The right and left in the EU are collectivists of either national or social groups- directly opposed to the idea individual rights, which is a more common in the US and a typical conservative value. The left in the US has abandoned their "Liberal" school of thought and have gone for govt control and the idea of group rights.

No, I did not. I tied US White Supremacist groups to the US right, which is how they think of themselves since they see the US left as promoting multiculturalism, while the Steve Bannon White House calls them "fine people". None of that involves Europe, except for the borrowed label "Nazi", as in "Neo-Nazi", whom actual 1940s Nazis would probably find appalling.


Perhaps you are lecturing someone else?

[RetroRevolver77]

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[Gödel]

It sounds like Godel is trying to bate the membership for an agenda. Worse, he's trying to frame people in this thread as being tied to extremist groups. Mods should ban him honestly.

Oooh, is having your conspiracy driven "reality" becoming so hard to maintain already that you need me banned? You poor dear.

HTFU.

[RetroRevolver77]

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[Gödel]

My reality is based on facts and evidence but nice try though with your agenda.

My "agenda" was to point out the absurdity of grown men discussing a civil war as the response to a lack of courtesy on the part of a few supposedly liberal individuals - especially when not a single one of those grown men can articulate how a civil war is actually possible when they don't all live in one place.

Judging by the reaction of several people, I succeeded. This thread is an embarrassing stain on a nice gun hobby forum. It is a shame.

[Honu]

My "agenda" was to point out the absurdity of grown men discussing a civil war as the response to a lack of courtesy on the part of a few supposedly liberal individuals - especially when not a single one of those grown men can articulate how a civil war is actually possible when they don't all live in one place.

Judging by the reaction of several people, I succeeded. This thread is an embarrassing stain on a nice gun hobby forum. It is a shame.

socialists/liberals come into a place and rather than trying to fit in or get along they start telling all those that were here before how they are bad and a embarrassment and try to lecture them then try to act/say how they are correct and superior and you little people are stupid and wrong !

at least they admit their agenda is to go after certain people ! then try to say how they triumphed over them !

but we know this is how they try to shut down conversations and control people


its a shame for sure

[pinzgauer]

Correct. And all members of the Right are looking for the next Hitler to elect, because of their affection for authoritative strong men that play to nostalgia for their epic history as a superior race.


Same/same. All Liberals are Stalinists, all Conservatives are fascists.

Errr, Stalin was a Fascist by the correct definition of the term. (Political definition: Fascism is a political ideology that seeks to organize the government AND economy under one centralized authority, with strict social controls and suppression of all opposition.)

I write this from Northern Italy, where the term originated.

While Mussolini was nationalistic, and Hitler/Nazism was influenced by Fascism as implemented by the Italian and Spanish, these movements did not have the racial purity aspect that Hitler championed.

So while Naziism can be viewed as a form of Fascism, it would be a mistake to conflate Fascism with racism. Where Nazis clearly were racists, to the extreme. NAZI party also clearly started with socialist goals in many areas. Which is why many of us wince when Fascism and socialism are positioned as polar opposites. Many of Hitler's policies we're very socialist in nature.

Fascism has been redefined by the left to be "any strong leader we don't like and want to taint as a racist". Even the Webster definition has changed over the years.

Likewise Nazi has come to mean similar, though usually with racist implications.

If ANTIFA was really ANTIRA (anti racist) as the movement purported and originally started, many of us would support it. Instead, it is essentially an umbrella for Marxist/socialist/anarchist movements using anti-racism as their justification/cover.

Likewise, being a bit nationalistic does not automatically equate to fascism.

In no objective measure could Trump/Bush/Reagan/Nixon be considered Nazis except as an crude insult, as they did not aligned to most of the Nazi platform.

You would have a stronger case calling Eisenhour or earlier president's as Fascists, as the war effort did drive some central control thinking. Trump is probably the furthest, as he's totally open market with the exception of the tariff stuff. And my read is he just doing the tarriffs to get fair treatment from protectionist governments. And it appears to be working more than most expected.

[Moose-Knuckle]

Yeah... Not written by an American. Reminds me of the anti-gun arguments I've had with Brits and Frenchies. I end nearly every argument with an anti-gun Brit with: "And THAT is why we rebelled against your dumb asses and started out own country! Now go obey your king and your government. SUBMIT!"

Maybe you see it differently, but I still think many of our countrymen subscribe to the "give me liberty or give me death" mindset. Of course we tolerate the small transgressions. Of course no one wants to die or go to prison, but there is a limit. We will reach it, and we will eventually retaliate and put a stop to the theft of our country and our rights. When? I don't know, but it will not be pretty. After all their previous losses, they've gotten very good at subversion, propaganda, and incrementalism. No matter their tactics, they will still never win. It is probably going to be at the point at which they think they've won that we will finally slap them down. Americans aren't going to live that way. I'm not. Are you?

The quote I posted in response to your post was an excerpt from The Gulag Archipelago. I felt it was in agreement with the jest of what you were saying.

The point the author was making is that Stalin's NKVD operatives went about their dastardly duties without fear. If/when similar tyranny happens here it will be open season on the oppressors and their loved ones. Violence will be repaid with violence tenfold.

An AK that rusts away after spending two decades under your tool shed while you were waiting for "the right time" to dig it up is as useless as an AK you relinquished to the government.

Not to derail the thread anymore than it already has but . . .








I've seen pics of AK's taken off of dead poachers in Africa that are literally held together with bailing wire. But I get and concur with what you were saying with that post.

[Moose-Knuckle]

You aren't the only leftwing NPC on here either. There's a few of you and you can't debate against facts so you resort to personal attacks- which is typical for people who use feelings instead of facts.

Rule #1: Don't feed the trolls.

Spoken like a true communist. Were you educated by Pravda? It sure sounds like it.
Next, Lenin was a egalitarian! Mao was a humanist!

Talk about propagandist trope. Let me guess, western education without much in terms of real research?

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya...…...

They come [back] in waves.

You each saved me some typing and for that I appreciate you one and all.


It would be good for folks to brush up on the following techniques so they can better understand who they are engaging with while online . . .

• Forum Sliding
• Consensus Cracking
• Topic Dilution
• Information Collection
• Anger Trolling