And This is How Civil Wars Begin....

[ABNAK]

I didn't say anything about leaving, maybe read the post again.

The bolded part is what I specifically replied to.

The rest, since you mention it, sounds like a lib kumbaya love-fest. Catch words like "hate", "fear", "scapegoating", "different than themselves" all sound like it could be a solid DNC talking point. Gimme a break.

So in summation, your attempt to paint members here with the broad brush of "hate" makes your own assertions kind of hypocritical, don't you think? The staff here does a pretty solid job of tamping down anyone who appears to go off in the weeds (so to speak). To sublimely suggest that this has become Stormfront or such is ridiculous.

[RetroRevolver77]

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[Tx_Aggie]

The bolded part is what I specifically replied to.

The rest, since you mention it, sounds like a lib kumbaya love-fest. Catch words like "hate", "fear", "scapegoating", "different than themselves" all sound like it could be a solid DNC talking point. Gimme a break.

So in summation, your attempt to paint members here with the broad brush of "hate" makes your own assertions kind of hypocritical, don't you think? The staff here does a pretty solid job of tamping down anyone who appears to go off in the weeds (so to speak). To sublimely suggest that this has become Stormfront or such is ridiculous.

I wasn't tarring all the membership here with a broad brush, just making an observation about this thread and those like it, and by extension some of the folks who post in this thread and have kept it alive (but not all who post here, and certainly not everyone on the forum).

My understanding is that the Mods as a rule hate GD, and I suspect they've allowed this thread to continue as it's easier to monitor one than to continually deal with multiple new threads in the same vein. But I don't know their minds and may be completely off base in that respect.

As for the rest, I was simply stating an opinion. I could spend an hour finding a page worth of quotes in this thread alone to support that opinion, but I won't because in the end you likely wouldn't see anything wrong with any of it and we would still disagree.

I did get a pretty good laugh at you telling me to take a hike and leave the forum because you disagree with what I said, thanks for that.

[GRA556]

What we need to do is stay focused on what the original intent of this topic is; to arrive at a conclusion as to how another civil war may start and what to do about it when it does.

Obviously we need to discuss how to get organized in the event one of these gun control movements develops in to a Venezuela-type situation which will definitely be absolute cause for national concern and action.

Gun owners need to realize that when a law is passed like recently in New Jersey it affects us all regardless of where we live and we need to organize demonstrations and other means of lawful protest against them. If nothing else this will let them know we are not going to go along peacefully with their implementation of communist rule.

[Tx_Aggie]

It sounds like Godel is trying to bate the membership for an agenda. Worse, he's trying to frame people in this thread as being tied to extremist groups. Mods should ban him honestly.

[Firefly]

AAAALLLL the personal BS and feelings aside; a Civil War is always a possibility when the producers have less say than the kept.

Take away McDonald's, the house, the home, and any reasonable, non-violent way to reclaim it; and trouble will brew.

The fatass larpers in Stahlhelms don't bother me any more or less than the black kids in their first year of college thinking they are Black Panthers or Black Israelites.

When Joe Business owner or Miss I just want to have two kids, grow old and die with the same man get told they must give it all up to the uneducated, uninoculated outsiders with no stake in a nation....

Be worried. Be very worried.

I sometimes think the Government keeps using the military as the Peace Corps with Guns just to keep it in a state of organized dysfunction and spread out. And national law enforcement under a petty and political microscope to render it impotent on demand and less localized.

Spicy opinion, perhaps a wrong one, but the thought has indeed crossed my mind.

[Gödel]

Errr, Stalin was a Fascist by the correct definition of the term. (Political definition: Fascism is a political ideology that seeks to organize the government AND economy under one centralized authority, with strict social controls and suppression of all opposition.)

I write this from Northern Italy, where the term originated.

While Mussolini was nationalistic, and Hitler/Nazism was influenced by Fascism as implemented by the Italian and Spanish, these movements did not have the racial purity aspect that Hitler championed.

So while Naziism can be viewed as a form of Fascism, it would be a mistake to conflate Fascism with racism. Where Nazis clearly were racists, to the extreme. NAZI party also clearly started with socialist goals in many areas. Which is why many of us wince when Fascism and socialism are positioned as polar opposites. Many of Hitler's policies we're very socialist in nature.

Fascism has been redefined by the left to be "any strong leader we don't like and want to taint as a racist". Even the Webster definition has changed over the years.

Likewise Nazi has come to mean similar, though usually with racist implications.

If ANTIFA was really ANTIRA (anti racist) as the movement purported and originally started, many of us would support it. Instead, it is essentially an umbrella for Marxist/socialist/anarchist movements using anti-racism as their justification/cover.

Likewise, being a bit nationalistic does not automatically equate to fascism.

In no objective measure could Trump/Bush/Reagan/Nixon be considered Nazis except as an crude insult, as they did not aligned to most of the Nazi platform.

You would have a stronger case calling Eisenhour or earlier president's as Fascists, as the war effort did drive some central control thinking. Trump is probably the furthest, as he's totally open market with the exception of the tariff stuff. And my read is he just doing the tarriffs to get fair treatment from protectionist governments. And it appears to be working more than most expected.

My post was sarcastically making fun of other posts.

[Gödel]

You're not grasping what the discussion actually is about. No one is advocating for a civil war, instead noticing a change in civil discourse. As communication and ties that bound us as Americans are eroding due to the violent rhetoric and sudden shift by the left to the more extreme- it's not hard to see what is on the horizon.

Doesn't sound like you should be speaking for anyone else:

What we need to do is stay focused on what the original intent of this topic is; to arrive at a conclusion as to how another civil war may start and what to do about it when it does.

Obviously we need to discuss how to get organized in the event one of these gun control movements develops in to a Venezuela-type situation which will definitely be absolute cause for national concern and action.

Gun owners need to realize that when a law is passed like recently in New Jersey it affects us all regardless of where we live and we need to organize demonstrations and other means of lawful protest against them. If nothing else this will let them know we are not going to go along peacefully with their implementation of communist rule.

[RetroRevolver77]

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[ramairthree]

What we need to do is stay focused on what the original intent of this topic is; to arrive at a conclusion as to how another civil war may start and what to do about it when it does.

Obviously we need to discuss how to get organized in the event one of these gun control movements develops in to a Venezuela-type situation which will definitely be absolute cause for national concern and action.

Gun owners need to realize that when a law is passed like recently in New Jersey it affects us all regardless of where we live and we need to organize demonstrations and other means of lawful protest against them. If nothing else this will let them know we are not going to go along peacefully with their implementation of communist rule.

Well, what to do about it when it starts is the whole barn door thing.

In case any thing bad happens, financial, war, natural, etc. there are maybe a dozen things you can do to be ready.
I won’t go onto serious detail. Maybe some follow on posts can discuss that.

1- be in shape. I hike with the dog a few miles once or twice a day. But I eat like a teenager too many days and skip workouts too many days. My IWB belt is on hole four out of five when not carrying. I need to get back on track. I’m not saying you need to be a fitness model, but if your are a 300 pound diabetic your days are numbered once the comfy security blanket goes away. At fifty and in the worse and weakest shape of my life I can bench 275, jog a few miles, sprint and climb under or through a split rail fence, etc. All is for naught if you are a wreck physically.

2- don’t live in the city or the burbs. You are not immune even in the most remote rural area, but you have time, density, and distance in your favor.

3- know your neighbors. I’m not saying they have to be your closest family or anything. But if you are at take care of each other’s dogs, horses, etc. while out of town and cordial level, borrow the chainsaw or tractor for a day, it makes you us against them when the hordes are leaving the cities.

4- have some food and water on hand. A couple hundred bucks can have a few months of decades long shelf life stuff on hand. Even if you never use it what’s twenty bucks a year wasted?

5- have a generator and fuel on hand. And a way to get by without power. Even with a pond, stream, well, I need to run the well pump. Hurricanes, snow storms, downed trees, and such, it’s not like you will never use it.

6- have some guns, Ammo, knives, axes, lights, lanterns, etc. on hand. If you haven’t been converting to rechargeable batteries, do it. Glock, Beretta, AR, and AK pattern is out there in droves. Have at it. Get those rookie numbers up in your ammo Fort.

7- know how to use your guns, ammo, generator, prep food.

8- have a well treated and trained large dog or two that loves you and will die for you and your family.

9- have stuff in your car to get home. A good spare, light, gun, axe, machete, etc.

10- have stuff in your wife and kids cars so they can get home. And that they know what to do with it.

11- have family hobbies that may pan out in hard times. Hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, etc.

12- grow older. The thought of a life sentence or dirt nap won’t seem so bad.