And This is How Civil Wars Begin....

[OH58D]

Then we divide and go our own ways. If they don't let that happen then we burn this bitch to the ground and them with it.

That does seem to be one outcome, but I wonder if a large segment of the American People would go that far, or just accept their fate? By that time the mentality might be that its not worth saving anymore.

Remember that the Leftists in the US operate as revolutionaries, the Right operate as reactionaries. I see more of a regional enclave situation where you have pockets of Constitutional Patriots hanging on to traditional America, perhaps doing targeted assassinations and hits against physical assets.

[RetroRevolver77]

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[ABNAK]

That does seem to be one outcome, but I wonder if a large segment of the American People would go that far, or just accept their fate? By that time the mentality might be that its not worth saving anymore.

Remember that the Leftists in the US operate as revolutionaries, the Right operate as reactionaries. I see more of a regional enclave situation where you have pockets of Constitutional Patriots hanging on to traditional America, perhaps doing targeted assassinations and hits against physical assets.

Kind of like semi-autonomous zones? That might be a possibility too.

[R6436]

I see more of a regional enclave situation where you have pockets of Constitutional Patriots hanging on to traditional America, perhaps doing targeted assassinations and hits against physical assets.

Just to make sure I'm following correctly, similar to Iraq after '03-'04 where the population began (sometimes involuntarily) to organize more along sectarian lines? Only in your suggested scenario using political alignment instead of religious?

[R6436]

CBS is reporting "deadly shooting" in a Pittsburgh synagogue. I'd say 50/50 on calls for gun control/bans.

[OH58D]

Just to make sure I'm following correctly, similar to Iraq after '03-'04 where the population began (sometimes involuntarily) to organize more along sectarian lines? Only in your suggested scenario using political alignment instead of religious?

In the United States, you can never ignore the Christian Conservative, Catholic Conservative, or Mormon aspect. The concept of Inalienable Rights suggests God Given, not man given. These groups believe that America was a divine invention, which may require fighting to preserve. In the 19th Century, the Catholics created the Knights of Columbus, a fraternal organization now known for running Bingo games. Early on they were the muscle of the Catholic Church, replacing earlier groups which defended members being abused by non-Catholics.

If and when everything goes to Hell politically and socially in the US, militia groups like the III% and others will be eliminated first. They have the weirdos and bullet magnets who like running around in uniforms and showing off their weaponry. The real resistance will be operating in the shadows, low key, but deadly effective, comprised of, but not limited to men and women of faith.

[R6436]

In the United States, you can never ignore the Christian Conservative, Catholic Conservative, or Mormon aspect. The concept of Inalienable Rights suggests God Given, not man given. These groups believe that America was a divine invention, which may require fighting to preserve. In the 19th Century, the Catholics created the Knights of Columbus, a fraternal organization now known for running Bingo games. Early on they were the muscle of the Catholic Church, replacing earlier groups which defended members being abused by non-Catholics.

If and when everything goes to Hell politically and socially in the US, militia groups like the III% and others will be eliminated first. They have the weirdos and bullet magnets who like running around in uniforms and showing off their weaponry. The real resistance will be operating in the shadows, low key, but deadly effective, comprised of, but not limited to men and women of faith.

Now I'm tracking.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Bull-f___ing-shit.

The historical revisionism is that which places fascism and Naziism on the left. Read a book. Especially, read a book contemporary with the rise of these movements - perhaps Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here.

Fascism and Naziism were considered to be on the right from the day they were founded until today. Only recently have the Cultists of the Right decided elsewise, because Holy Shit, Heaven Forfend that the Right might have some skeletons in its closet! Any skeletons there must belong to leftists in an effort at revisionist smearing of the Immaculate Right. Even when those skeletons have been there forever, were made by the right, and hidden by the right.

(Oh, and the KKK was an insurgent Southern movement, made up of conservatives determined to shed the blood of uppity slaves and other liberals, whether native Southerner or carpet-bagging Northerner. When the Dixie-crats switched sides, so did the KKK. Strum Thurmond was, I remind you, elected as a Democrat and ran as a Democrat until the 1960s when he, along with the rest of the Dixie-crats, left the Democratic party. And the South went from being overwhelmingly represented by Democrats to overwhelmingly being represented by Republicans - Republicans who had been Democrats just a few years before.)

Finally: Libertarianism and Authoritarianism are not linked to being Right-wing or Left-wing. It is entirely possible to be a left-wing libertarian (although none have ever been in power to the best of my knowledge), while ring-wing authoritarians are every bit as common as left-wing authoritarians.

The “big switch” theory is big bullshit. Percentage wise more republicans voted for the civil rights act than did democrats. A few people switched parties, but the overwhelming majority didn’t, such as Robert KKK Byrd. It came down to LBJ ceasing the Civil Rights Act as an opportunity along with his “Great Society” to buy the black vote. Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act and was successfully painted as a racist despite the fact he opposed it on principle.

If there was truly a big switch between Democrat and Republican, how do you explain FDR & the New Deal, or how about Woodrow Wilson and all of his “progressive” policies he successfully implimented?... And piggybacking on this topic, how do you explain Woodrow Wilson airing Birth of a Nation in the White House? The democrat party owns left wing politics, they own the KKK, there was no big switch. Perhaps Nazis and Fascists were considered “right wing” by European standards, they are left wing by left wing standards.

Ronald Reagan identified the struggle between right and left in the US.

https://youtu.be/bYwQxvFAIJY

[Diamondback]

That does seem to be one outcome, but I wonder if a large segment of the American People would go that far, or just accept their fate? By that time the mentality might be that its not worth saving anymore.

Remember that the Leftists in the US operate as revolutionaries, the Right operate as reactionaries. I see more of a regional enclave situation where you have pockets of Constitutional Patriots hanging on to traditional America, perhaps doing targeted assassinations and hits against physical assets.

Check out Kurt Schlichter's People's Republic sometime for some interesting musings on this one. A lot of his columns at Townhall.com might be of interest too.

[ramairthree]

Too much of the arguing over left vs right seems to stem from the fact people try to keep the spectrum on straight line.

A circle might be going too far, a horseshoe not far enough.

Think of it more like a Jesus fish with the head pointing up and the tail down.

If the tip of the head is center, you can move left or right and get complete tolitariasm shithole moving in either direction.