Not really. It's probably some coding thing.
We've been running a bunch of Pappabears Sig cans, and they're pretty impressive... 338, 30 cal, 5.56.
Dead Air Sandman-S
Dead Air Sandman-K
SilencerCo Saker ASR 556
SilencerCo Saker ASR 556K
OSS HX-QD 556
OSS HX-QD 556K
Surefire SOCOM556-RC2
Surefire SOCOM556-MINI2
KAC QDC
KAC QDC CQB
Not really. It's probably some coding thing.
We've been running a bunch of Pappabears Sig cans, and they're pretty impressive... 338, 30 cal, 5.56.
"What would a $2,000 Geissele Super Duty do that a $500 PSA door buster on Black Friday couldn't do?" - Stopsign32v
I pick the new flavor of the month called the Energetic Vox-S. Uses a material called C300 Maraging which you can read about below. Direct thread or Dead Air Key Mo. Wipes. 30cal, full auto, no barrel restrictions. Pretty badass if you ask me.
https://energeticarms.com/vox-centerfire-silencer/
Active hearing protection does not
- reduce muzzle flash
- reduce the dust signature that can block / hinder seeing the target
Hearing damage and tinnitus are number 1 and 2 most common reasons for new compensations paid to U.S. servicemen and women. They are also the all time top 1-2 in total number of compansation recipients.
This according to the 2016 report by U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. Similar figures can be seen elsewhere in the world.
Yes, suppressors cost money and have their +/- features
I am not saying all hearing damage claims could be removed with suppressors, but many have issues caused by their personal weapon/weapons,.
Many militaries who issue them for SOF can easily find out the experiences and apply them then into conventional side use
How much does it cost to?
- To train a soldier or law enforcement officer during his career
- How much does it cost not only in money, but loss in capability/knowledge if the same person is moved to other role from operations due to the disability or permanently retired due to it?
- How much does it then cost to pay him/her the compensations after retirement? Not to mention the quality of life for someone with permanent tinnitus.
You are making my point that active hearing protection is needed. A soldiers personal weapon is not the only noise maker on the battlefield and not the loudest by any means. Muzzle flash and dust are handled quite well by the A2. I like suppressors, I just don't think every swinging d@ck on the battlefield needs one, and give one to a snuffy and hearing safe or not he is likely to stop using his ear pro.
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You are making my point that active hearing protection is needed. A soldiers personal weapon is not the only noise maker on the battlefield and not the loudest by any means. Muzzle flash and dust are handled quite well by the A2. I like suppressors, I just don't think every swinging d@ck on the battlefield needs one, and give one to a snuffy and hearing safe or not he is likely to stop using his ear pro.
“The Trump Doctrine is ‘We’re America, Bitch.’ That’s the Trump Doctrine.”
"He is free to evade reality, he is free to unfocus his mind and stumble blindly down any road he pleases, but not free to avoid the abyss he refuses to see."
Most, if not all, Soldiers that are issued suppressors are also issued Sordins or Peltors. Also, A2’s still kick up dust when your @&$# is really in the dirt.
Edit: if it hasn’t been said yet, the biggest value for cans in the Mil are to aid in not giving away your position.
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Watch a squad assault range with and then without cans. Huge difference. Internal comms improved, SA improved, as well as other issues. I was apprehensive about this as well until I saw it, and all for it now. You bring up a decent point with signature, pros and cons with anything. This would not be very high on my list of concerns in a squad though.
Still waiting on how they're gonna keep some lance coconut from laying his can on his leg and ending up in bas.
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Ryan
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“What’s New” button, but without GD: https://www.m4carbine.net/search.php...new&exclude=60 , courtesy of ST911.
Disclosure: I am affiliated PRN with a tactical training center, but I speak only for myself. I have no idea what we sell, other than CLP and training. I receive no income from sale of hard goods.
I assume you mean why I like the Vox? If you just look at the specs, it’s clear that what they’re working with is special. C300 Maraging has more tensile strength at 1,000 degrees F than stainless steel or titanium do at room temperature. In short, this can ain’t breakin. The material is also lightweight and has a thinner outer profile, which allows for more internal baffles. I believe The Wound Channel weighed it at around 15 ounces?
Additionally, due to the construction it has no minimum barrel length requirement and is of course full auto rated.
Edit: ALSO it uses already excellent and popular mounting systems like the Dead Air Keymo.
Last edited by BallisticHarmony; 09-24-18 at 12:37.
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