Thanks!
I traded a Aimpoint Pro for the Patrol because I just couldnt get pass my astigmatism, with or without my Rx lenses. I love the awesome eye relief at the low end. And I agree with you that at 10 yds or less it can be slower than a red dot. Anything past that I really don't feel I'm at a disadvantage.
I mounted it a Midwest Industries QD mount and hoping to see if it will survive my not so gentle range sessions and future carbine classes.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
Agreed they are heavier and they do cost significantly more. If the gun is only going to be used at HD distances the juice isn't worth the squeeze. If you have the potential for anything longer I think it is. YMMV.
Sure its rare, its rare most places to draw your patrol rifle to begin with. But if we weren't talking rarities we would be carrying the rifle every time we got out of the squad to begin with.
Quality LPVOs usually make you end up about $1-2k after mount and how quality you want to go and you are at about 25-30oz all together I'd wager. An Aimpoint plus a magnifier/mount gets you into the $1k ballpark as well with a mixed magnification and an awkward flip to side mount. An Aimpoint Pro is 11.6oz, the 3x magnifier is another 7.1oz plus whatever mount you get. Putting you already 2/3 of the way to the weight of a quality LPVO and mount. I'm not saying the LPVO is perfect for every gun owner but IMO it checks a lot more boxes for a rifle if you ever plan on taking it outside the home distances.
Could is a pretty powerful word.
I am just a civilian amd I don't have access to statistics showing engagement distances, but I would be shocked if more than a handful of officers ever engaged a suspect at more than 50 yards.
My brother is a Deputy in a very rural county and his HK 416 wears an AP Pro.
Andy
Last edited by AndyLate; 09-21-18 at 13:34.
Yes the average engagement distance is within 7 yards. But hey if were only going to train for the average stuff LE probably shouldn't practice firearms at all right since something like only 0.3% of officers in the country will get into a shooting during their career? Or maybe everything we do should be 7 shots in 7 seconds at 7 yards or whatever the exact average is. We probably shouldn't carry a rifle either since MOST cops will never use it. If you only train and prepare for the average you are shortcoming yourself when you get into a situation that isn't the average and the same goes for equipment. I'm not saying you can't get away with using an aimpoint for a LE rifle by any means. Mine still rocks a PRO until my Razor gets here for it, but that doesn't mean their aren't better options IMO.
I've been a long-time user of the Aimpoint Comp and T-series RDS. As I grow older, my eyesight is also getting worse, and target identification becomes an issue. Even discerning a small bullseye at 50 yards is more difficult than it used to be. Combined with my astigmatism, trying out a LPVO made sense. My Steiner P4Xi cost less with mount than my T1's and has a diopter adjustment to sharpen the image. A bit slower at distances under 25 yards, but much more versatile out to 300 yds than an unmagnified RDS. Again, if I have trouble seeing the target, I have trouble aiming at it and hitting it. The LPVO helps me see the target better, and that translates to better hits. If I have to pick ONE optic for a 'do it all' AR, it'd have a LPVO on it.
If i could only have 1 AR, it would absolutely have a LPVO. The ability to have a red dot like reticle up close, and also be able to crank it up to higher power for positive ID or precision shots at distance, is awesome. Making headshots on a hostage target at 100 yards with an LPVO is cake compared to a red dot.
I've been a red dot guy for a long time, and still have them on a few guns, like my home defense rifle, by my truck gun and go-to 16" AR now sports a 1-8, and I don't forsee going back any time soon.
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