If SBRs Became Title 1 Firearms, What Would Your Practical Carbine Be...?

**SteyrAUG** · 10-04-18, 02:55

Honestly, I still can't believe it's a law. Been a long time since Bonnie and Clyde ran around with chopped up BARs. Depression era gangsters brought all this down on us at a time when America was probably the most socialist we've ever been.

When the men who founded this country, and more importantly the ones who explored the territories like Boone and Crockett, they didn't have to worry about if their firearms met a "sporter qualification" or met a certain arbitrary standard.

They carried firearms for hunting and defense. So if we somehow got shorties and suppressors removed from the NFA, what would your primary go to look like? Would terminal ballistic considerations make anything less than 14.5" a novelty gun or would the 6920 become the absolute gold standard now that 6933s were more pedestrian?

Obviously PCC's would be a different discussion since they have greater suppressor performance and short PDW setups would make popular home defense guns where people might have previously relied on just a handgun.

**Campbell** · 10-04-18, 04:31

I think I would be in the 12-14 inch barrel length, depending mostly on length/weight of mini suppressor (just enough to take the edge off).
If non-suppressed, I’ve been happy with most 14-16” carbines.

**Aries144** · 10-04-18, 05:39

A 12" bbl 5.56 seems pretty good for self defense around anything smaller than a large country plot or ranch with some 75 or 77gr ammo, and a 6.75" bbl .300blk MCX with a folding brace or stock is about an inch shorter than an MP5 and looks like it fragments out to 50 meters with 110gr VMAX.

Other than that, practicality is out the window and I'm looking at collecting visually correct copies of various military firearms. An AKSU would be cool. I already picked up an MKE MP5 clone pistol. I'd like to SBR a VZ58 just to have the correct 15" barrel.

You know, the main thing bugging me about NFA, specific to machineguns and SBRs, is needing permission before crossing state lines. How do you handle getting a job offer in another state if the ATF takes 2 months to respond to a 'cross state lines' request? I've gone to buying new rifle caliber and SMG type firearms as pistols whenever possible for the flexibility, and just using pistol braces for barrels under 16" in preparation for the day I can get my family settled permanently and start doing Form 1s.

It all makes you realize just how dated and how much a product of manipulative, grasping minds the NFA is.

**PatrioticDisorder** · 10-04-18, 06:07

As goofy as the NFA is, I’ve Form 1’d every rifle I have (minus pending MGs on Form 4s). If HPA every happens (doubtful) I’d love to see SBRs also removed.... Of course the elephant in the room is 922(o), i’ll gladly lose on my “investments” to be able to make all my long guns MGs. My favorite AR length is 10.3”, I would be willing to place a wager that 10.3-11.5” would be by far the most common lengths if SBRs were title 1 (particularly if cans were also over the counter).

**mark5pt56** · 10-04-18, 06:13

There is no reason why one can't go into a store and do a BR check and walk out with suppressor or "SBR" Even if the dealer marked a block indicating such and even if one payed 200 and received a stamp or all of it electronic.
Me?-probably an 11.5"

**elephant** · 10-04-18, 06:23

I would take the SBA3 brace off my 11.5" Tinker and put on my LMT SOPMOD stock and a Tango Down vertical fore grip. That's it.

I think the 10.3-11.5 would be the popular choice for SBR's.

Perhaps, what would be better is if they changed the definition for a SBR. Say a barrel + non permanently attached muzzle devise has to be at least 13" to be title 1 compliant. Anything less than 13" OAL is an SBR. That opens the door just a little bit, still has the same look and feel as the NFA to make our government happy and still feel like they are in control, and you and I get to throw a small victory parade for the 2A.

**1168** · 10-04-18, 07:27

14.5’s and 13.7’s would be more attractive without the NFA. Even with the hassle, I like them. Hopefully I’ll be building a 14” soon with a BRT barrel I pre-ordered. BCM Kino would be hard to beat, also.

I bet we would see more SBR specific ammo.

**SomeOtherGuy** · 10-04-18, 08:38

My primary defensive gun would be a 12.5" in 300 Blackout, with a QD can as short as possible (3" maybe) just to take the edge off.

For all other purposes I would probably stick with 16" and longer barrels.

**Rogue556** · 10-04-18, 09:40

12.5" with a mini suppressor and a nice LPVO.

Loaded with the right ammo I can't think of much that setup couldn't do.

(Edit): Since we're dreaming here, my dream rifle would be a 12.5" SOCOM barrel with a 11.5"-11.7" Geissele MK16 rail, SF Mini suppressor, and quality 1-6 in a Geissele mount.