Any C&R Collectors?

[sgtrock82]

Beautiful rifles Steve! Certainly wish I had held on to or at least spent more range time with my old SVT.... but I so badly needed to afford a G.43(that I no longer have either) it was still only worth about $300 at the time.

Nice Type 99, looks like a Nagoya 7th series from here.

Dig the Carcano M41 too, they are my favorite Italian rifle. I am still searching for just the right one. My current one isnt bad but still needs range time to see if we're going to get along.

Pat, Awesome selection of Lebels,definitely feeling some envy there. Besides a couple of R35s Ive not been able to get with in grabbing distance of a respectable lebel that I can add to the collection. The Krag is sweet too, do you collect beutewaffe?

My offering this time is a Karabiner 88, I picked up not to long ago. I just got finished cleaning it up and getting it a bit more presentable. Its survived rust, dust, mold, Bubba, service as the 75th weapon, 2nd squadron of the Bavarian 4th light cavalry regiment, likely an entire world war and now its chilling on the couch, with me ....watching awful TV lol.

Its all matching however Bubba did get a hold of it, sanded the stock and engineered a new front sight. The sight can be undone, the stock is toast.... but still its the original numbered stock, not too ugly but also can be shot and handled guilt free! (provided proper precautions are taken as should be when dealing with 1888 commision rifles/carbines or any other antique weapons, read up!) Still searching for clips, that I was too lazy or cheap to snag ages ago.

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Keep going, I'm learning a lot - you guys have some really nice rifles!

[PatEgan]

Pat, Awesome selection of Lebels,definitely feeling some envy there. Besides a couple of R35s Ive not been able to get with in grabbing distance of a respectable lebel that I can add to the collection. The Krag is sweet too, do you collect beutewaffe?

Nice Karabiner 88!
Yes, Beutewaffen are my primary focus for C&Rs. I delve a bit into pre-war Yugoslavian and Hungarian, but the German-captures dominate the collection.

[SteyrAUG]

Nice Karabiner 88!
Yes, Beutewaffen are my primary focus for C&Rs. I delve a bit into pre-war Yugoslavian and Hungarian, but the German-captures dominate the collection.

That's an interesting theme for a collection.

[Artos]

Question for C&R guys...I'm a basic 01 & do online consignments & what not as a side biz. I certainly do not mind shipping a compliant gun to a C&R but don't keep up with it & understand it's constantly changing.

If I get a question from a C&R asking if I will accept their FFL, I have asked for some sort of verification that the gun is compliant. Most are happy to do so but others say any gun over 50yrs or so is automatically added. I won't ship to those that won't get me something official. Can you explain if there is an official list or what ATF's firm rule is on the matter regarding a guns age vs C&R compliance??

It's really not a big issue for me as it rarely comes up & I'm not going to do anything to affect my FFL by blindly shipping, mostly curious.

[RazorBurn]

Question for C&R guys...I'm a basic 01 & do online consignments & what not as a side biz. I certainly do not mind shipping a compliant gun to a C&R but don't keep up with it & understand it's constantly changing.

If I get a question from a C&R asking if I will accept their FFL, I have asked for some sort of verification that the gun is compliant. Most are happy to do so but others say any gun over 50yrs or so is automatically added. I won't ship to those that won't get me something official. Can you explain if there is an official list or what ATF's firm rule is on the matter regarding a guns age vs C&R compliance??

It's really not a big issue for me as it rarely comes up & I'm not going to do anything to affect my FFL by blindly shipping, mostly curious.

I myself with an 03 go by the ATF list of approved C&R guns. If it's not on the list then I have it shipped to my 01 or 02 FFL. Better safe than sorry.

[SteyrAUG]

Question for C&R guys...I'm a basic 01 & do online consignments & what not as a side biz. I certainly do not mind shipping a compliant gun to a C&R but don't keep up with it & understand it's constantly changing.

If I get a question from a C&R asking if I will accept their FFL, I have asked for some sort of verification that the gun is compliant. Most are happy to do so but others say any gun over 50yrs or so is automatically added. I won't ship to those that won't get me something official. Can you explain if there is an official list or what ATF's firm rule is on the matter regarding a guns age vs C&R compliance??

It's really not a big issue for me as it rarely comes up & I'm not going to do anything to affect my FFL by blindly shipping, mostly curious.

Not sure 50 years automatically does anything. I don't think AR-10s and AR-15s recently became C&Rs. I agree with Razor, if it's not on the C&R list I'm not sending it.

[PatEgan]

The most useful category on that list specifies "All original military bolt action and semiautomatic rifles mfd. between 1899 and 1946."

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/un...-2018/download

[CGSteve]

Thanks, same to all of you guys with the rifles. I don't dislike the Carcanos, but I rank them lowest of all my WWII rifles. The two that I own and have shot don't shoot that well and have pretty bad sticky bolt even after a good cleaning. One other thing, I still have to make sense of it, but there is a thread over on surplusrifleforum where someone states the Prvi ammo uses the wrong diameter bullets, causing poor accuracy, or worse, catastrophic failures.

Those guys aren't very lively over there so posts are limited. I still couldn't get a straight answer on what factory ammo 6.5 is "correct" and best to shoot out of them (not many options). For the record, I shot both the Prvi and Graf's and they functioned fine, Privi if I recall wasn't very accurate.

Nice Berthiers. I have been searching for one, but it isn't high in priorities right now. I have a MAS 36 as my only French WWII offering.

Also, that Tokarev I have in the last picture is actually a Vietnam bringback non import marked "M20", which were Chinese manufactured, and given that nomenclature to hide their source of military support.

[sgtrock82]

I like Carcano's. Carcano's are neat guns but they are not great guns by any stretch. Some are better than others but their inconsistency highlights the limitations of Italys industrial abilities during this time. Japanese rifles are a bit better IMO but not by much. Mausers, Enfields, Springfields truly earn their spots at the top of the heap performance wise

Shooting 6.5 carcano isnt straightforward, im still wrestling with loading it myself. It seems bullet selection is the key to getting some satisfaction in the accuracy department, unfortunayely this makes handloading necessary. Otherwise your stuck with the 3-4 bullets selected by the few companies loading 6.5 carcano, None of which are great.

Hornady had a bit of a faux pas with their .268 bullet. Worked great for some, blew some other rifles up. Its been ages since I first read about the reasonings for .268 but I still always came back to "What was wrong with the .266 diameter of the original italian bullet?" Theyve since supposedly stepped it back down to .267 but I have yet to handle any. Fortunately I have a small quantity of original pulled italian bullets and some hornady 160gr .264 long round nose bullets that can do very well in some guns.

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