Great looking 99s Styer, thanks for sharing!Originally Posted by SteyrAUG
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Great looking 99s Styer, thanks for sharing!
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Idk what happened there
Last edited by sgtrock82; 10-12-18 at 12:22.
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Could be anything. It's a later in the war example, so no wings on the ladder sights, bolts lugs are a bit more crude and things like that. The bright red could be just what wood was being used that was available.
The important part is the chrysanthemum engravings are intact. All surrendered rifles handed over at the end of fighting either had it milled off or sufficiently defaced (you often see them with large Xs filed over them) so as to not surrender a weapon with the seal of the Emperor on it.
Here's two examples of surrendered rifles (not mine).
Collectors refer to this as "with mum" or "no mum" examples. Those with intact chrysanthemums are usually considered "taken in combat" vs. a "surrendered rifle."
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The red coloration on the stock of Styer's type 99 isnt unusual on japanese stocks. The Japanese used a laquer type finish called Urushi. Its coloration and application varied by manufacturer/supplier and time period. The reddish color is typically associated Toyo Kogyo type 99s, made near Hiroshima. The font of the "9 9 type" characters on Styers receiver look like typical Toyo Kogyo markings. The lighter gun looks like a Nagoya.
And since it was brought up earlier, Ill share my Finnish marked Carcano M38 short rifle. These were to be the new standard Italian Army rifles in the snazy new 7.35mm cartridge. Quickly figuring a caliber change wasnt a good idea since they could barely manage any other logistics problems, the Italians gave 95000 of these brandy new rifles and ammo as aid to Finland. Not especially popular they provided arms to the rear echelon and notably AAA gun crews. Finnish army property mark is the [SA].
The barrels on many of these are recycled 1891 rifle 6.5mm barrels, cut down, recountoured, bored out and new rifling cut. Chambers still the same though, those cheap crafty Italians! You can see some of the old barrel marks "TERNI" underneath the serial number. The old barrel date of 06 or 08 Is faintly visible elsewhere.
The new markings of Crown/RE/TERNI along with the date "1939" with the fascist year "XVII" (counting from 1922) Terni is one of the largest government arsenals.
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Last edited by sgtrock82; 10-12-18 at 19:27.
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Here is the silly folding bayonet. Mine isnt [SA] marked but if you find one that is, its valuable. The Finns trashed most of their bayonets, of all types.
Typical box of surplus 7.35mm ammo dated 1939 and probably part of that which was given to Finland. Also showing the Finn property marks on the original italian made sling, a Cool find I stumbled upon recently.
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Thanks for the info. I thought the Finn Carcanos were in 6.5. I've never paid Carcanos more than a fleeting glance. Looks like I need to research and learn more about them.
Last edited by RazorBurn; 10-12-18 at 19:35.
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Here are some of mine. You might have to click on the images to make it larger.
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Lebels? Did someone say, ‘Lebels?’
Top: Mle. 1886 M.93 built in 1893
Middle: A 1940 built example of the highly elusive M.27
Bottom: A German-captured Mle. 1886 M.93 R35 carbine, processed and stamped at the Krakau (Cracow) depot in occupied Poland.
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All were 7.35, AFAIK. The Finns were taking anything they could get. From what I’ve read, the Italians basically gave up on the 7.35 due to logistics and began reissuing M91s in different configurations (carbines) to go with the 38s and M41s.
Very, very jealous. 3 great looking examples.
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Here’s a 1890 built example of a Danish Model 1889/24 Krag. This one received a new barrel in 1940, just in time for the German invasion. It was captured by them and processed through the German Army depot at Mainz, and subsequently marked by them.
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