Winchester White Box 9mm 124g NATO

[Pi3]

A little off topic: what practice ammo is close to but not hotter than Federal HST 9mm 147 gr?
Is the white box hotter? Is the MEN a lot milder? I've gone thru 500 rounds of the MEN without incident. Never compared it side by side with the hst.

[parishioner]

A little off topic: what practice ammo is close to but not hotter than Federal HST 9mm 147 gr?
Is the white box hotter? Is the MEN a lot milder? I've gone thru 500 rounds of the MEN without incident. Never compared it side by side with the hst.

That’s what I carry and I just got my 1000rds of WWB 124 Nato in today from PSA. I can let you know but I wont be getting to the range until the second week of November.

[nightchief]

That’s what I carry and I just got my 1000rds of WWB 124 Nato in today from PSA. I can let you know but I wont be getting to the range until the second week of November.

There is Winchester White box and Winchester Nato...they are different. Nato is higher pressure, similar to +P. MEN 124 Nato is hotter than your average range 9mm, like Magtech, Blazer, etc., but not as hot Winchester 9mm Nato. I can't give exact numbers, as I have never chronographed 9mm, but, with a comp'd G19, it runs fine with the factory spring when shooting 124 HST, 124 HST +P, 124 Gold Dot, 124 Gold Dot +P, 124 Winchester 9mm Nato. It needs a 13lb recoil spring if attempting to use 115 gr practice ammo from Blazer, Magtech, Amer Eagle and Winchester White box. Otherwise, I get a lot of malfunction practice.

I have shot close to 10K of the MEN 124 Nato with no issues. Very good stuff. The Germans are "pretty good" and making guns and ammo!

[Straight Shooter]

My range notes, from my chrono & my guns:
G19 with Winchester NATO 124fmj-10 rounds
HI:1131
LOW:1076
ES:55
AVE:1111

G19 with Federal 124 +P HST-10 rounds
HI:1202
LOW:1150
ES:52
AVE:1181

G19 with MEN 124 fmj-10 rounds
HI:1054
LOW:1019
ES:35
AVE:1037
NOTE: Cleanest, shiniest ammo Ive ever seen, both cosmetically & after firing.

G19 with Speer Gold Dot 124 +P-10 rounds
HI:1187
LOW:1147
ES:40
AVE:1165

G17 with MEN 124 NATO-10 rounds
HI:1085
LOW:1069
ES:35
AVE:1085
NOTE: This MEN NATO shoots LIGHTS OUT ACCURATE in my G19 & G17.

G17 with Federal 124 +P HST-10 rounds
HI:1234
LOW:1222
ES:12
AVE:1228
Note: VERY accurate in my G19 & G17.

Hope this helps. My opinion- MEN & Winchester NATO are TOPS for training & range, and I wouldnt be at all upset to use it as a defense load if pushed.
The Federal HST +P 124 is VERY accurate in my guns..Ive shot out to 50 yards several times, no problems.
As an aside- Im also a huge fan of the MEN 5.56 NATO loads too.

[nightchief]

My opinion- MEN & Winchester NATO are TOPS for training & range, and I wouldnt be at all upset to use it as a defense load if pushed.
The Federal HST +P 124 is VERY accurate in my guns..Ive shot out to 50 yards several times, no problems.
As an aside- Im also a huge fan of the MEN 5.56 NATO loads too.

Boy do we need a "like" button! Agree with everything you said...

Thanks for the chrono data!

[parishioner]

There is Winchester White box and Winchester Nato...they are different.

I know what you mean. However the nato box does state that it’s “WWB” and it’s also the title of the thread.





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[nightchief]

I know what you mean. However the nato box does state that it’s “WWB” and it’s also the title of the thread.

Roger. Sorry if my previous post came off wrong, wasn't my intent. Not sure all are aware there is more than one "white box" product.

[Straight Shooter]

Boy do we need a "like" button! Agree with everything you said...

Thanks for the chrono data!

You are most welcome!

[parishioner]

Roger. Sorry if my previous post came off wrong, wasn't my intent. Not sure all are aware there is more than one "white box" product.

Not at all. All good man.

And SS, quality post!

[Wake27]

My range notes, from my chrono & my guns:

G19 with MEN 124 fmj-10 rounds
HI:1054
LOW:1019
ES:35
AVE:1037
NOTE: Cleanest, shiniest ammo Ive ever seen, both cosmetically & after firing.

G19 with Speer Gold Dot 124 +P-10 rounds
HI:1187
LOW:1147
ES:40
AVE:1037

Is there a typo with the average for the Gold Dots?