Yippee! Finally! A semi auto that works out of the box!

[MegademiC]

Really?
There are tons of options for guns that work out of the box. You just havent tried any of them.
And that “accuracy” is not attributed to ammo or gun at all. Even the bad M&Ps did better.

Glad you finally found your gun, time to wear it out.

[ramairthree]

My out of the box or used guns that have all been 100% out of the box are:

Dozens of Beretta 92 and 96 series.
My three PX series and one ApX series have been the same.

Some SPO1 and PO1 CZs.

A handful of second gen G19s and G17s.

P226s.

My 320, TP9, and some XDMs.

[Vegas]

Any Glock, Sig, H&K or FN I have owned have all run perfectly with the exception of an early G42 that had some feed issues. I recently consolidated to M&P’s and life is also good. I do miss my FNP9 tho. That thing ran in all assortment of dirty.

[Pappabear]

The dirty secret of the firearms industry is the abysmal failure rate of brand new guns.

Over the years I've bought brand new

CZ American .22 bolt action rifle
Kel Tec .32 pocket pistol
Springfield Operator 10mm
Ruger 9e
Remington 870 20 gauge
Colt Defender compact 1911 .40 S&W

There might be more, if I could remember. Each of these failed right out of the box.

The CZ rifle's bolt would not fit into the receiver, due apparently to mis-machining of the receiver. CZ wanted me to send a deposit for repair. I put the gun in the trash bin where it belonged, and bought a 10-22. I never saw it fire a shot.

The Kel Tec failed to feed and to eject. After two trips to Kel-Tec, they issued me a check for a refund.

The Sprg. Operator 10mm is right now at Sprg. for the second time. These guns are not cheap. Perhaps they'll finish building it into something that can function and hit a target.

The Ruger 9e suffered extraction failures. They replaced the barrel and extractor. I haven't tested it yet.

The 870's action was apparently mis-machined such that the bolt refused to move back and forth in the receiver. It never did fire a shot.

The Colt Defender suffered failure to feed, failure to extract, and sometimes shot unfired cartridges out of the ejection port. It would have been hilarious if it hadn't cost me real money. I sent it to Colt at my expense. After two months, they sent it back. It suffered the same problems. I sent it back again to Colt at my expense (UPS Air ain't cheap). They kept it almost three months. I couldn't get anybody on the phone. I sent faxes. No response. I wrote a letter to the president of Colt's Firearms. I got a call from somebody promising me a totally hand-tested and repaired gun. They finally sent it back. It failed again. I sent it back a third time at my expense. They replaced it with a .45 ACP version of the same gun. I traded that off new in box.

Can anybody think of a consumer product that has a higher failure rate right out of the box? I'm not talking Bryco or Jennings. These are firearms made by respected old names. Even weed-eaters are more reliable than new firearms. If any other manufacturers put out crap like this, they'd be out of business. But gun companies get away with it. Why? I partly blame gun writers and the NRA. They know the manufacturers give them specially-prepared hand polished test pieces, and sell us the rough stuff. How many "reviews" have we seen where the guns stovepipe and fail to feed in the first 100 rounds, and the "reviewer" brushes this off with a comment about "break in time?"


When you buy a gun, you are essentially buying a combination lottery ticket / warranty claim, not a functioning firearm. I call this "gun control by product failure."

Boy you can really pick them. Ive only had a couple handguns or guns period that didn't run. As stated, your choice of guns is moving in the right direction. That is one list of doozies!

PB

[Ranger86]

Out of these new firearms:

Sig 226 9mm MK25
Sig C3 1911 .45
Sig 516 16" 5.56
Sig 516 10" 5.56
Browning Buckmark .22
Glock 19 9mm
Troy 16" AR 16" 5.56
PTR-91 ( HK91 clone) 7.62

Only the PTR had any issue and needed to be returned for a new FCG. Maybe I'm lucky? I do run some of them hard, but keep them clean and lubed.


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[Arik]

With the exception of the Springfield start buying better guns. Have never had an issue out of the box but I never buy those guns you listed.

Keltec is a hair above Jennings.

It's like complaining about automobile quality and reliability while only buying Yugos

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[markm]

Boy you can really pick them. Ive only had a couple handguns or guns period that didn't run.

He needs to get a KIMBER!!

[Todd.K]

Are you familiar with the CZ bolt release?

Other than that the list you have is also a list of guns likely to have problems.

[26 Inf]

He needs to get a KIMBER!!

Yeah those POS!

My wife bought me the Kimber Classic Golden Match for my 45th birthday. The first three rounds I fired out of mine clover leafed at 25 yards. I used to have a Gold Cup for such things, now I have a Kimber and the Gold Cup is gone.

I haven't shot it more than a hundred or so rounds a year for the last 10 years or so, but I used it hard for a couple of years and it never needed anything but springs and slide glide.

ETA: Yeah, I know, sample of one.

[1168]

Yeah those POS!

My wife bought me the Kimber Classic Golden Match for my 45th birthday. The first three rounds I fired out of mine clover leafed at 25 yards. I used to have a Gold Cup for such things, now I have a Kimber and the Gold Cup is gone.

I haven't shot it more than a hundred or so rounds a year for the last 10 years or so, but I used it hard for a couple of years and it never needed anything but springs and slide glide.

ETA: Yeah, I know, sample of one.

My Kimber Gold Combat has been about as reliable as either of the Colts I’ve been issued. I haven’t kept a log of stoppages, so this is a very subjective observation. That said I don’t really take 1911’s all that seriously anymore, and all 3 of those guns were less reliable than my 92’s and plastic guns.