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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Like I said, World Class douchebag. And his lawyer is a World Class liar, bought it at a gun show BS.

    Press Release:

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtx/pr...arms-violation

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Friday, October 19, 2018
    Plano Man Sentenced to 7 Years for Firearms Violation

    PLANO, Texas – A 70-year-old Plano, Texas man has been sentenced to federal prison for a firearms violation in the Eastern District of Texas, announced U.S. Attorney Joseph D. Brown.

    Alfred Pick pleaded guilty on May 22, 2018, to a charge of possession of a firearm while an unlawful user of a controlled substance and was sentenced, pursuant to an agreement by all parties, to 87 months in federal prison on Oct. 17, 2018 by U.S. District Judge Marcia Crone.

    According to information presented to the court, Plano police were called to an area hospital on Oct. 2, 2017, regarding a belligerent individual. Officers encountered Pick, who was upset about the treatment of a relative in the hospital, and had told medical staff and others, that he intended to return to the hospital with a firearm and “would shoot [hospital staff] in their kneecaps and elbows first and let them bleed.” Pick was taken into custody and delivered to mental health authorities for an evaluation.

    As a result of the incident at the hospital, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) opened an investigation that eventually received information that Pick possessed weapons and narcotics at his home. Agents obtained a search warrant and found over 2 grams of cocaine and over 10 grams of marijuana in Pick’s residence. Agents also discover 14 firearms at Pick’s residence, including a fully automatic machine gun with an obliterated serial number that witnesses later told investigators that Pick had admitted he stole while he served in the military.

    The sentencing court also received information that Pick had repeatedly been cited for criminal trespass at various area hospitals for his aggressive behavior, involving both verbal and physical abuse of medical staff and impeding staff. The court also heard that police had been called on two prior occasions in 2014 to restaurant parking lots where patrons reported that Pick had been threatening and brandished handguns in encounters with him.

    Additional information presented at sentencing revealed Pick’s daughter reported to investigators that Pick had sexually abused her from the time she was 4-years-old until the age of 17, taking nude photographs of her to, as he put it, “chart her growth” and sexually assaulting her.

    Finally, the sentencing court received evidence that Pick threatened the Federal Magistrate Judge who detained him indicating he would fly his plane with explosives to kill the Judge and ATF agents who investigated his case. Pick also stated that he would “have taught the Las Vegas shooter a thing or two,” referring to the Oct. 1, 2017 mass shooting.

    “Obviously, there was a lot more to the sentence that was received – a sentence that Mr. Pick and his lawyer agreed to – than a single gun with a missing serial number,” said U.S. Attorney Joseph D. Brown. “Although Mr. Pick was a decorated veteran, he would use that status routinely to try to excuse his repeated criminal behavior. This was also not a mental health issue. It became a public safety issue.”

    “The people concerned for Mr. Pick’s safety when he honorably served our nation were the same people most-concerned for his and the public’s safety throughout our investigation,” stated ATF Special Agent in Charge Jeffrey C. Boshek II. “I applaud those that recognized and reported Mr. Pick’s abuse of controlled substances, amplified threats and intensified displays of physical and psychological aggression as well as the decisive action of the ATF Agents.”

    In addition to the charge for which he was convicted, Pick was originally charged with two other violations – possession of an unregistered firearm and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. As part of Pick’s agreement to plead guilty and agreement as to the term of his sentence, these charges were dismissed.

    This case was investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tracey Batson.
    It would have been nice if this info was available from the onset, I don’t think there is much more to say here. Sounds to me like he got off easy when put into context, this guy sounds like he was a legit ticking time bomb. Thank you for the update.

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    Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Sounds like the only thing they got him on was a firearms violation. A prosecutor isn't going to paint anyone they really go after as being decent in anyway.

    After seeing gun shows with several Streetsweepers and Thompson Contenders in SBR form, pistols with vertic fire grips, and various other items at gun shows with no paperwork along with countless rifles and magazines from 1994 to 2004 that were in violation of the Clinton ban and still occasionally seeing rifles sold that violates the 1989 Bush ban it is entirely possible he just bought it at one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Sounds like the only thing they got him on was a firearms violation. A prosecutor isn't going to paint anyone they really go after as being decent in anyway.

    After seeing gun shows with several Streetsweepers and Thompson Contenders in SBR form, pistols with vertic fire grips, and various other items at gun shows with no paperwork along with countless rifles and magazines from 1994 to 2004 that were in violation of the Clinton ban and still occasionally seeing rifles sold that violates the 1989 Bush ban it is entirely possible he just bought it at one.
    It is like you did not read the Press Release at all.

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    You mean the one with statements by people who swore an oath to support and defend no infringements on keeping and bearing arms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Alfred Pick pleaded guilty on May 22, 2018, to a charge of possession of a firearm while an unlawful user of a controlled substance and was sentenced, pursuant to an agreement by all parties, to 87 months in federal prison on Oct. 17, 2018 by U.S. District Judge Marcia Crone.

    According to information presented to the court, Plano police were called to an area hospital on Oct. 2, 2017, regarding a belligerent individual. Officers encountered Pick, who was upset about the treatment of a relative in the hospital, and had told medical staff and others, that he intended to return to the hospital with a firearm and “would shoot [hospital staff] in their kneecaps and elbows first and let them bleed.” Pick was taken into custody and delivered to mental health authorities for an evaluation.

    As a result of the incident at the hospital, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) opened an investigation that eventually received information that Pick possessed weapons and narcotics at his home. Agents obtained a search warrant and found over 2 grams of cocaine and over 10 grams of marijuana in Pick’s residence. Agents also discover 14 firearms at Pick’s residence, including a fully automatic machine gun with an obliterated serial number that witnesses later told investigators that Pick had admitted he stole while he served in the military.

    The sentencing court also received information that Pick had repeatedly been cited for criminal trespass at various area hospitals for his aggressive behavior, involving both verbal and physical abuse of medical staff and impeding staff. The court also heard that police had been called on two prior occasions in 2014 to restaurant parking lots where patrons reported that Pick had been threatening and brandished handguns in encounters with him.

    Additional information presented at sentencing revealed Pick’s daughter reported to investigators that Pick had sexually abused her from the time she was 4-years-old until the age of 17, taking nude photographs of her to, as he put it, “chart her growth” and sexually assaulting her.

    Finally, the sentencing court received evidence that Pick threatened the Federal Magistrate Judge who detained him indicating he would fly his plane with explosives to kill the Judge and ATF agents who investigated his case. Pick also stated that he would “have taught the Las Vegas shooter a thing or two,” referring to the Oct. 1, 2017 mass shooting.

    “Obviously, there was a lot more to the sentence that was received – a sentence that Mr. Pick and his lawyer agreed to – than a single gun with a missing serial number,” said U.S. Attorney Joseph D. Brown. “Although Mr. Pick was a decorated veteran, he would use that status routinely to try to excuse his repeated criminal behavior. This was also not a mental health issue. It became a public safety issue.”

    “The people concerned for Mr. Pick’s safety when he honorably served our nation were the same people most-concerned for his and the public’s safety throughout our investigation,” stated ATF Special Agent in Charge Jeffrey C. Boshek II. “I applaud those that recognized and reported Mr. Pick’s abuse of controlled substances, amplified threats and intensified displays of physical and psychological aggression as well as the decisive action of the ATF Agents.”

    In addition to the charge for which he was convicted, Pick was originally charged with two other violations – possession of an unregistered firearm and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. As part of Pick’s agreement to plead guilty and agreement as to the term of his sentence, these charges were dismissed.

    This case was investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Tracey Batson.[/I]
    So that pretty much settles that for me. The daughters allegations may or may not have been BS but still plenty there. Stealing a M-14 from the military vs. obtaining one at a gun show that may or may not have been a "known violation" are two different things.

    Sounds like this guy is very lucky he did some things right back in the day, because his past service must have factored in heavily to only get 7 years. Even if he doctored a M1A to become a full auto, that is still much, much different from "stole one from the army and ground off the numbers."

    Add drugs and an obvious attitude / perhaps serious mental problem and here you are.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    You mean the one with statements by people who swore an oath to support and defend no infringements on keeping and bearing arms?
    If you steal a rifle you don't have a 2nd Amendment right to keep it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    If you steal a rifle you don't have a 2nd Amendment right to keep it.

    He didn't get convicted for that and claimed in court he didn't steal it, but bought it.

    The side opposing him swore an oath to defend and uphold no infringements, yet infringing is what we see from that side.

    If we ignore their oath of office to give them the benefit of the doubt, it seems their case against was mostly a list issues that were bad and should have got him nailed to the wall over (if true), but weren't within their purview any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    He didn't get convicted for that and claimed in court he didn't steal it, but bought it.
    He plead guilty, thus he never explained in court how he obtained it. The Gun Show purchase was just a lie made up by his attorney.

    The whole "Decorated Vietnam Veteran, POW Sentenced To 7+ Years For ‘Mistake’ Made Decades Ago" was lawyer bullshit, he got 7+ years for a lifetime of being a douchbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    He plead guilty, thus he never explained in court how he obtained it. The Gun Show purchase was just a lie made up by his attorney.

    The whole "Decorated Vietnam Veteran, POW Sentenced To 7+ Years For ‘Mistake’ Made Decades Ago" was lawyer bullshit, he got 7+ years for a lifetime of being a douchbag.
    Yes I saw that he took a plea bargain. I read that in there where they were going on about all the other things he did that were not within their purview.

    I don't care about his veteran status in the grand scheme of things. In fact, I think legal exemptions based on employment (by statute or professional courtesy) should never have been allowed to take root in the first place and should be done away with.

    I also think it is a really bad idea to support laws centering around firearms since that tends to imbed the notion of firearms possesion as being indicative of crime in the unwashed masses. Someone robbing a store is the issue to me. That they carried a firearm while doing so versus a knife, club, or whatever doesn't factor in to my belief that the robbery was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    He didn't get convicted for that and claimed in court he didn't steal it, but bought it.

    The side opposing him swore an oath to defend and uphold no infringements, yet infringing is what we see from that side.

    If we ignore their oath of office to give them the benefit of the doubt, it seems their case against was mostly a list issues that were bad and should have got him nailed to the wall over (if true), but weren't within their purview any way.
    I like how you're very obviously on the wrong side of this one and just double down on the BS.

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