Originally Posted by
thopkins22
The actual solution is to address the fact that the market wants more labor...and we pay Americans to not work.
The market may want more labor, but it doesn't want to pay what the going price should be for that labor.
What do the overwhelming majority of illegals do when they come here? They work shit jobs for shit money, and many of them save enough to send home to their families.
I know you are from Texas, and I'm sure that you have seen the multiple illegal families or illegal males living in one apartment so that they can send money home, pretty common here in Kansas.
Would you crawl up on a hot Texas roof during the summer and roof for minimum wage? Nope you wouldn't, unless you had no other option. Those roofers, those landscapers, those asphalt workers, those hod carriers, are doing rough jobs that no American will do for the wages that many of the illegals are paid.
Does that mean it’s okay? No, but the labor markets aren’t wrong. People are coming because there is work. Work that would be and should be done by Americans.
The thing that is wrong about the labor market is that it might be under, not over, regulated. The illegals will have jobs, as long as they can get here, until we:
1) Start throwing folks in jail for hiring them. A sheetrock contractor who has an American crew can't compete with another sheetrock contractor who is running an illegal crew that he isn't paying any benefits to. You can put just about any heavy anual labor job in that context.
2) Force the market to pay a higher wage. Driving down the numbers of illegal immigrants should begin to raise wages, but that alone won't do it. Wages need to go up to get people off subsidy programs. And the subsidy programs we have need to stop punishing folks who are moving up in their jobs.
Unfortunately, that will mean prices will go up, unless shareholders are willing to reign in their greedy CEO's.
This anti-immigration streak is wrongheaded and won’t address the problem...which is that we’ve taught generations of Americans that hard work is for brown people...and generations of northerners that brown people took the jobs that actually went to robots.
I don't think being anti-immigration is wrong, what I think is wrong is turning anti-immigration beliefs into hate directed against individual immigrants.
And, because of the enmity that exists between employer and employee in many situations, a lot Americans believe that the role of the employer is to take advantage of the employee. That results in a sorry environment with no loyalty and no desire to do more than the absolute minimum.
Last edited by 26 Inf; 12-12-18 at 22:31.
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