Gun seizure under red flag law leaves suspect dead

[SteyrAUG]

And a wonderful new tool soon to be ex wives can use against their husbands when they file for divorce and want to paint them in a bad light.

[PatrioticDisorder]

And a wonderful new tool soon to be ex wives can use against their husbands when they file for divorce and want to paint them in a bad light.

Yes, that is certainly going to be a consequence & abuse of this (unconstitutional) law. I would say it is extremely important to make a wise decision on who you marry. The type of woman that would do this to a man is also the kind of woman to vote straight ticket D, it is a mentality. It is the same type of woman that would also falsely accuse a man of rape. It is the same type of woman that would tell a man she is pregnant with his baby after a break up even though it is a lie. As messed up as it is, as badly as I feel for these men, they made poor life choices on who they married/dated.

[Moose-Knuckle]

I can hear it now . . .

Abracadabra, presto, change-o!

"Only a mentally ill person would feel the need to own a weapon of war / assault weapon."

Now all gun owners are crazy and pose threats to themselves and others, easy peasy.

[WillBrink]

Don't know about the MD "red flag" laws.


Under the CA "red flag" laws...
Before the TRO is issued a judge must review the evidence and decide if the TRO should be issued or not. [PC 18155]
If the judge determines that the TRO is being sought under false pretenses or being used as a means of harassment, then the party seeking the TRO is to be prosecuted. [PC 18200]

That's at least an attempt to balance the law in favor of not using it for false cause but it also leaves in the hands of a judge who may or may not give a damn about 2A Rights and or default to granting out of fear he/she will have blood on their hands by not granting it. We also know judges and LE have gotten warrants based on nadda but some judges will do what ever LE asks in their local circle of chums. So, on the surface, it's a good balanced concept, but I have serious doubts on the real world applications .

[THCDDM4]

These laws are dangerous. Much more harm than good.

The Soviets used psychology and mental health as a means to control and silence anti Cummunist voices, and then kill their opponents.

Just think of some folks out there that would wield this as a tool to hurt their enemies. There are too many ways innocent people get hurt and this borders on pre-crime. No due process, screw your Rights if your neighbor or deranged sister turn you in as a "threat".

It's like all the good and Just stuff about our country/constitution is constantly under attack from all angles. Its sickening and tiresome.

More lives could be saved by focusing on the real dangerous players and criminals; but I preach to the choir here...

[Averageman]

And a wonderful new tool soon to be ex wives can use against their husbands when they file for divorce and want to paint them in a bad light.

What more of an effective tool could you use than this when it comes to issues like child custody?
I'm sure it's been used and will continue to be used, ramifications of abuse be damned.

[austinN4]

Police said the suspect, Gary J. Willis became irate when they tried to serve him. He opened the door to his house and grabbed the gun. When police tried to take the gun away, Willis fired his gun. A second officer fired their service weapon and hit Willis.

I realize this thread is about the law itself, but based on the information at the posted link, it sounds to me like he, intentionally or not, he brought on suicide by cop by pulling and firing his own gun. But agree these laws leave a lot of room for abuse.

[THCDDM4]

I realize this thread is about the law itself, but based on the information at the posted link, it sounds to me like he, intentionally or not, he brought on suicide by cop by pulling and firing his own gun. But agree these laws leave a lot of room for abuse.

Men showed up to his door to confiscate his firearms violating his Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear arms. It sounds to me like what many have written here- that's the line in the sand.

Perhaps I am wrong about this one, but red flag law or not I personally will NOT be giving up my Rights nor my firearms.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

What do we do about dangerously crazy people with guns?

[THCDDM4]

What do we do about dangerously crazy people with guns?

Who decides what "dangerously crazy" is?

Some would call Trump voters dangerous and crazy. Some would call anyone who owns a gun dangerous and crazy, most on the left would see any of our posts on this forum as proof of being dangerous and crazy, etc.

What do you personally think we should do and when/what process?

ETA: simply taking a firearm away from a truly dangerous and crazy person motivated to hurt or kill others will not stop them from hurting or killing others, by the way. Simply makes them resort to other forms of inflicting pain or murder.