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    Moving Away from the 416?

    Not entirely sure where to put this, but this seems like the most appropriate place.

    In the picture thread in the AR General Discussion forum, there was some discussion (limited, brief) about certain elite teams going away from the HK416.

    Who doesn't bother me so much. So my questions are: What are they going to and why the change?

    Apologies if this is not the appropriate place to post this.
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    The 416 is/was a contract item for certain organizations and that contract is getting ready to expire. I haven’t heard any updates on what the next platform will be or if there will be a contract extension or a new contract.
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    This is not a surprise. It’s heavier, less accurate, and recoils more than the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter22 View Post
    This is not a surprise. It’s heavier, less accurate, and recoils more than the competition.
    Not really. It is heavier, more accurate and recoils differently, not more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter22 View Post
    This is not a surprise. It’s heavier, less accurate, and recoils more than the competition.
    It's on the internet, so it must be true...

    I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but the units that have them, use the hell out of them and they do what they are supposed to do exceptionally well.
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    The 416 is a love/ hate system, and has been for a long time. In that same vein, HK has been a love/ hate system with an allure all its own. It isn't my place to make specific comment, but the replacement of the 416 by certain units is something that has been commented on to me by more than one individual.

    I think it is important for people to remember that certain units acquiring systems are very, very needy, and I don't mean that in a bad way. If you are a premier assaulter, I would expect you to have premier equipment. ALL of the premier equipment, which means if pieces need to change, or be tailored for certain needs, I expect it to be done. That is going to create large demands at times for the manufacturer of the equipment as short notice things come up.

    Lets use boots for an example. Do the laces stretch? Fix it. Do the laces not stretch? Fix it. Do the laces burn to easy? Fix it. Do the laces grab foreign debris? Fix it.... and on and on. Sure, this isn't the best of examples, but you can quickly see where end users can have varying wants and needs.
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    Are they going away or some units just getting some new toys? If a unit did a lot of water infiltration I could see them keeping them just for that purpose. Remember the pics of the SEAL arms room, when those guys get tasked with a mission they don't have just one weapon they have to use they get to pick and choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter22 View Post
    This is not a surprise. It’s heavier, less accurate, and recoils more than the competition.
    For grins, I started testing some 416's like I would do on a precision rifle...Magneto/chrono, ammo tests, distance shoots, ballistic charts...the whole 9 yards. To say that the 416 is "less accurate" than its parallel DI counterpart is purely false. The oddball 20" upper I have on loan to test is putting up some incredible groups. The 14.5" was no slouch either in holding at least MOA out to 500y with a meager 4x scope and factory match ammo.
    Last edited by pointblank4445; 11-10-18 at 15:03.

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