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    Yeah that’s messed up.

    If there’s no intent to take prisoners, fine, I get it... ISIS are sub human trash. Just don’t do macabre shit, or stab wounded shit birds to death or cut heads off. Sure as shit don’t take photos like you’re celebrating. Just shoot the dirtbags a few times to make sure they’re neutralized and move on.

    If you start treating them for wounds, well that makes them a prisoner, and we don’t torture, mistreat, or kill prisoners. How hard is that to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    For Chrissakes, guys at this level involved with "hazing"? That's something you expect to see with high school football players giving the newbies "pink bellies" or other such bullshit.

    Between the MARSOC and DEVGRU guys there were three E-7's and one E-6. Inexcusable behavior from "professional" tip-of-the-spear types if true. They got "dissed" at a party? Seriously? Is this the freaking 'hood?
    So much this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    He had turned them in for skimming an informants fund, and also didn't like them bringing hookers to the house. The final straw was getting invited to a party at the embassy without the rest of the team.

    Not indicted was the culture of profiteering and personality that seems to have replaced good order and discipline. I also believe something like this can only happen in a vacuum of good leadership.
    And this. And if true, it's amazing this didn't get fixed in house. I don't care who you are, even if your are the guy who face shot Bin Laden, if you embarrass and shame the SEAL community with your greed and stupidity, you should not be surprised when they come to straighten you out.

    If they actually killed a member of US Special Forces over something like this they should be executes and those responsible for putting them in place should have their careers shortened.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    And this is the problem with letting hyper competitive personality types take over an organization. When they take over organizations, they dominate the culture and create filters so that other personality types don't get in. If they do get in, they haze them until they leave or comply. They absolutely should never be trusted with power or decision making positions. They're too lacking in empathy, are decisive, but with poor, hasty judgement that they aggressively justify after the fact when wrong, and are too short sighted to be effective leaders. Unfortunately, they reach leaderships positions anyway because they work harder to get there than any other personality type. They simply want power and fame more than anything else in life. It's also why they almost never have close friends and don't often keep spouses unless they are utterly submissive.

    Not all hyper competitive types are sociopaths, but all sociopaths are hyper competitive types. They have to be contained and manipulated so their ambition can be used for the benefit of the organization without ever actually letting them reach positions of leadership. They'll eventually leave of their own accord when they aren't getting what they want, or they'll pull dirty tricks to try and overcome the limits. That's when you cut them loose with a big plaque they can put on their "me" wall to brag about and a discrete warning for future employers in their reference.

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    If I'm not mistaken, LTC. Grossman mentions something about these types in one of his books, On Killing I believe.
    GET IN YOUR BUBBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark5pt56 View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, LTC. Grossman mentions something about these types in one of his books, On Killing I believe.
    I've been meaning to read that book for years. Now I have another reason.

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    The "natural born killers" the difference is rules, direction, training and leadership. Other traits, etc come into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    He had turned them in for skimming an informants fund, and also didn't like them bringing hookers to the house. The final straw was getting invited to a party at the embassy without the rest of the team.

    Not indicted was the culture of profiteering and personality that seems to have replaced good order and discipline. I also believe something like this can only happen in a vacuum of good leadership.
    Just to clarify one point - the biggest issue with the hookers (besides the UCMJ violation) was they were bringing them to an off site “safe house” used for operational purposes. This was a serious breach of operational security.

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