Efile ATF Information Thread

[CoryCop25]

Hey guys.
I wanted to start a thread regarding e-filing of form 1s to the ATF.
I registered on eforms.atf.gov and began to start my Form 1. I had a problem uploading my photo so I signed on the site with my iPhone and was able to upload the photo. I logged off of the iPhone and back onto my computer and continued filling out the form. I saved my work and then had to do a few things. I then logged back in and and pressed edit form and I'm now unable to get into my form and complete it. I have tried Fire Fox, Google Chrome, Internet Explorer and Safari and I keep getting this error message.
Please share your experiences and advice.....

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[Smokin338]

That was the error page you would get when the system use to go down for maintenance... use to be All day Wednesday's.

[OH58D]

I have always done the form 1 via the mail and paper application. I have an NFA Trust and want to try e-file. The Trust paperwork is still paper. To do the e-file and submit the Trust documents, can I just have the entire document in a .pdf and upload it?

[SeriousStudent]

Yes, it gives you an opportunity to upload a copy of your trust.

There is a size limit, however, so you may have to break it up into bite-sized chunks for the website. I do not recall the size limit off the top of my head.

[BigWaylon]

Yes, it gives you an opportunity to upload a copy of your trust.

There is a size limit, however, so you may have to break it up into bite-sized chunks for the website. I do not recall the size limit off the top of my head.

I don't know if it's changed, but it used to be a max of 10 attachments @ 3MB apiece. I have this info in the old Visual guide sticky:

There's often a discussion about file size for attachments, and people having trouble getting their document scanned into a single file 3MB or less. I've always tried to point out that checking the settings is the key. B&W scans are significantly smaller than color, even if the document is nothing but black text. You also don't need extremely high dpi to make it readable.*

I took a single paper Form 1 I had (so there is one small color section, the stamp itself) and scanned it on my Brother multi-function printer multiple times using every quality option I had available. Here are the results:*

B&W 100dpi = 36KB
B&W 200dpi = 77KB
B&W 300dpi = 133KB
Color 100dpi = 113KB
Color 200dpi = 313KB
Color 300dpi = 573KB
Color 600dpi = 1,228KB

So, based on that sample, a color scan is 3-4.5 times the size of a B&W scan. My trust scanned in at ~7MB at the default setting of 200dpi color. I submitted a 200dpi B&W copy which was only 1.7MB.

The trust I scanned in that example was under 2MB, and I think it was 30 pages at the time. So there's not much reason for anybody not to be able to fit it all in one PDF.

[OH58D]

My problem is Adobe .pdf documents. If you've got 15-20 pages, it's usually a large file. I am going to have see if I can scan the pages in that format at a lower resolution.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Any idea on when Form 4’s are going to be able to be efiled again?


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[BigWaylon]

Any idea on when Form 4’s are going to be able to be efiled again?

I posted this on ARF a couple weeks ago:

FWIW...

Local dealer asked one of the people at the NFA Division about Form 4s being added back into EForms, and here was the reply:

I wish I could say. The bureau is migrating all its IT system to the “cloud”. We are not allowed to do any further development work until after that migrations takes place. The vendor responsible for the migration has not provide a schedule yet, but I suspect it will be well into the first of the year.

We learned a lot form the Form 1 that was recently returned to production. So we hope that the Form 4 will be better with what we learned and with functionality that will be provided by the “cloud”

Thanks for inquiring.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

I posted this on ARF a couple weeks ago:

FWIW...

Local dealer asked one of the people at the NFA Division about Form 4s being added back into EForms, and here was the reply:

I wish I could say. The bureau is migrating all its IT system to the “cloud”. We are not allowed to do any further development work until after that migrations takes place. The vendor responsible for the migration has not provide a schedule yet, but I suspect it will be well into the first of the year.

We learned a lot form the Form 1 that was recently returned to production. So we hope that the Form 4 will be better with what we learned and with functionality that will be provided by the “cloud”

Thanks for inquiring.

So probably not any time soon lol


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[tb-av]

I posted this on ARF a couple weeks ago:

FWIW...

Local dealer asked one of the people at the NFA Division about Form 4s being added back into EForms, and here was the reply:

I wish I could say. The bureau is migrating all its IT system to the “cloud”. We are not allowed to do any further development work until after that migrations takes place. The vendor responsible for the migration has not provide a schedule yet, but I suspect it will be well into the first of the year.

We learned a lot form the Form 1 that was recently returned to production. So we hope that the Form 4 will be better with what we learned and with functionality that will be provided by the “cloud”

Thanks for inquiring.

That actually sounds good. If they can do a Form 1 in 10 days now and they expect better results from the Form 4. Could this mean a used suppressor market? Not that many people actually want to sell them but if everyone was registered someone always wants the latest and greatest. Seems like it would facilitate that sort of dealing. Or maybe even more retail discounts if they can turn more over faster.

I mean we are supposed to get one of the choices. cheap, fast, good. so far it's been... expensive, sloooow, new better model by the time you receive it.

I'm just glad to hear they really are doing something. Restores my faith. Plus if a politician tries to shut down transfers there is all that money spent they will be accountable for. A new computer system is like a new law. Hard to justify getting rid of it.

So our lives will be in the cloud. Cool, if we have a problem we can call Jinping.

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