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    The Quest for the Ultimate in a Lightweight KISS Carbine

    I've been on a soul-searching journey toward the ultimate in simplicity and especially light weight in a fighting carbine. My accessory-laden M4 is getting to be just too dang much of a burden for my 50+ year old arms (getting old sucks), and I hit upon the idea to strip as much off as possible and go with the absolute minimum setup.

    When I got my Pennsylvania State Police Colt 6520 with fixed carry handle, pencil barrel, and flashlight-handguard, I realized that's where I needed to start. Even though I wouldn't stick with that big honkin' flashlight setup on the 6520, it did give me ideas...

    That means going "doodad-free" as much as possible.

    I decided to try to build a KISS carbine with emphasis on light weight using off-the shelf items. I didn't want to just mount a lighter weight flashlight setup on the 6520 because I wanted to keep it pure, and I also wanted a flat top AR to be my go-to once I decide on an optic.

    I started with the Colt 6720: basically an M4 with the pencil barrel.

    I tested my favorite optic, the Meprolight M21, inside the house with a bright weapon light, and the reticle washed out badly. I had never used that optic anywhere but outside at the range and at the ranch. I was not expecting it to be that bad against light-colored walls with the Surefire on. I actually had a better sight picture with the large A2 iron aperture.

    I was able to use the large rear iron A2 sight aperture just fine inside the house with the flashlight blazing against the light-colored walls.

    I may go with an Aimpoint T2 eventually, but for now: scratch optic.

    Next, I removed the fat M4 handguards on the 6720 and installed MagPul handguards with a quick detach sling swivel, rail for the weaponlight, and weaponlight mounted on the handguard rail. I also installed an AFG to help pull it into my shoulder. Still too heavy.

    After yanking all that off, I installed a plain Jane set of CAR-15 handguards, a Midwest Industries front sight-mounted rail, and a Surefire G2 with LED kit (that's 2010 calling). Much better.

    Even though the 6720 is a flat top, the fact that the large A2 aperture works better against the inside of my house than the Meprolight made me put the carry handle on it for now, even though I think it will get an Aimpoint T2 later. The flashlight only illuminates a few yards in front of me outside at the ranch, so I'm not really giving up some long-range night-fighting ability by using irons only right now. As it's more useful indoors than outside after dark, I decided to make it more useful for CQB than any imagined long-range encounter on the moonlit north forty.

    So the bottom line for now is that I've got a bone-stock Colt AR6720 with pencil barrel, carry handle, CAR handguards, Midwest Industries front sight mounted rail, and Surefire G2 in a old VLTOR light ring. Only a lightweight optic and a lighter weaponlight will make me change anything.

    That's about as simple and lightweight a setup I can think of using stock parts. I will continue my quest for a lighter weaponlight and the ultimate in lightweight optics, but other than that my KISS carbine is mostly "doodad free" now, and the weight difference between it and my accessory-laden M4 is striking.

    Have you set up a lightweight carbine?
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    The Quest for the Ultimate in a Lightweight Carbine

    Remember reading about this one that’s under 4lbs https://www.recoilweb.com/preview-be...und-73217.html



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    I know the engineer (Dave) behind the OIP quite well and have fired a decent amount of round through it, it’s a fantastic rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiescometh View Post
    Remember reading about this one that’s under 4lbs https://www.recoilweb.com/preview-be...und-73217.html



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    If you want a light rifle it'll cost you.

    Bill Rapier's instruction rifle is a 16" carbon fiber proof barrel and a lightweight Midwest rail. I've shot the rifle, it's the lightest 16" I've ever shot. There is no front end to it.

    If you want light start with a proof carbon fiber barrel.

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    I would post a photo of mine, but my account is unable to show any photos hosted from my photobucket, Flickr, etc. accounts and it's apparently unfixable.

    So picture it with your minds eye.

    6720, all OEM Colt furniture, Daniel Defense fixed rear sight, G2X in an IWC mount, and a BFG sling. About as minimalist and handy as you can get.

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    The DD rear sight is a nice touch. That or an LMT chopped carry handle style are probably the only fixed sights lighter than the carry handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    The DD rear sight is a nice touch. That or an LMT chopped carry handle style are probably the only fixed sights lighter than the carry handle.
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    Dieting?

    Streamlight: https://www.batteryjunction.com/stre...SABEgJBnPD_BwE

    NcStar (yes) mount: https://www.amazon.com/NcSTAR-VMFLML...SIN=B01HHO6NJI

    B5 Systems Handguard: https://www.skdtac.com/B5-Systems-Ha...-p/b5s.152.htm

    Knight's Armament Folding Rear Sight:https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...l_4odtmwhh41_b

    I kept my FSP, used the Standard KAC rear flip up sight, ditched the carry handle A2 and use only this set up for HD.

    This lightweight set up makes it possible to use the Primary Arms 2.5X Prism (14 oz) whenever I go in shooting and I take off the mount and flashlight. It is still light and feels good. The HD set up is feather-light.

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    We built a carbine a few years back that was around 6lbs. It's not hard to do. People assume that an FSB and plastic type handguards are always going to be lighter, but it's not usually the case.

    A good LW 16" barrel, a 10-12" MLOK rail and flat top is easy. Add an optic like the Aimpoint T series, or Trijicon MRO and a Surefire X300U-B 1000 lumen light and you are still pretty lightweight and balanced.



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