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Thread: The "Best" All-Around Optic for your AR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    Ive actually seen people struggle quite a bit with magnified optics and that-s why I posted what I did.
    What did they struggle with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegademiC View Post
    I agree its not a good option for new shooters as a pick-up and go option.
    Well, a loaded rifle is also a bad choice as a "pick-up and go" option if you are brand new to shooting.

    Everyone needs some basic instruction in something they've never done before. Many people can self teach (I am one), but those that can't or won't can be up and running with a basic riflescope inside of ten minutes with minor mentoring.

    This whole notion of "training" often gets overblown here as some big production requiring "vetted" instructors and other ridiculous stuff. For more advanced topics, sure. To just be able to effectively aim a rifle using a magnifying scope, no.

    I guarantee you that if I tossed an Aimpoint to someone who's never used one and said "here go to town" they would be clueless as to what to do.

    If you know how to use a reflex or holographic gunsight to aim a rifle, then you also know how to use a magnifying scope set to 1X. The use of the occular focus is obvious if you turn it far enough. From there, shooting using higher magnification is self explanatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Quijote View Post
    What did they struggle with?
    Any kind of magnification and a lot of people I've dealt with can't hold steady enough offhand. Our range only has one good area for bench resting and it's usually full. I hate shooting with newbies pretty much anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    Any kind of magnification and a lot of people I've dealt with can't hold steady enough offhand. Our range only has one good area for bench resting and it's usually full. I hate shooting with newbies pretty much anymore.
    That isn't not knowing how to use a scope. That's not knowing how to shoot.

    Have they ever heard of the sitting and prone positions? I bet not.
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    You'd have to see our range. It's pretty inhospitable for prone or sitting. But I see time and again people who suck at shooting with magnified optics who shoot with red dots just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Quijote View Post
    Well, a loaded rifle is also a bad choice as a "pick-up and go" option if you are brand new to shooting.
    Truth.

    And some people just suck at shooting in general.

    My idea of a pick up and good weapon is a 12ga pump with OOO Buck. At least they'll make a lot of noise when they start shooting.
    - Rhino

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    But I see time and again people who suck at shooting with magnified optics who shoot with red dots just fine.
    And why is that? Because they can't see their wobble. When they can see it their technique falls the **** apart. They still suck. Poor is the craftsman who blames his tools.

    These rationalizations don't exist with people who don't use gear as an excuse.
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    And people get butthurt if you criticize their technique.
    Some people want to think they shoot fine and choose their gear to prove it. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Safari View Post
    And people get butthurt if you criticize their technique.
    Some people want to think they shoot fine and choose their gear to prove it. Lol.
    And that's why I keep to myself when I shoot

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