Ronald Reagan & Gun Control

[PatrioticDisorder]

https://youtu.be/nG4V_6pCLVo

I stumbled upon this video, not what I was expecting to hear from him. I guess it’s not surprising, he must have been happy the Hughes Amendment was placed into FOPA. As much as I think he was a good president (overall), had I been a supporter of Reagan and he was on the campaign trail and I heard this, he would have been dead to me. This tarnishes his legacy with me, has anyone else ever watched this clip?

[Jsp10477]

All politicians see an armed populace as a limit to their power therefore if they lie and say they support your 2nd amendment right or not, they honestly do not. I’ve watched some of his speeches. Regan was a globalist.

[ABNAK]

An armed populace has survived 230+ years ONLY because of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. Sure, amending the Constitution to remove the RKBA wouldn't muster enough of the required state legislatures needed, but I'll guarantee you the number that would vote against removal has dwindled over the years and continues to do so. I realize this aspect and also that I haven't seen a politician elected to the White House in my lifetime that is a tried-and-true supporter of the RKBA. That includes Reagan. I despise the lesser of two evils choice but it is what it is.

I'd vote for Reagan today if he was running (without blinders on of course with regards to gun rights).

[PatrioticDisorder]

An armed populace has survived 230+ years ONLY because of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. Sure, amending the Constitution to remove the RKBA wouldn't muster enough of the required state legislatures needed, but I'll guarantee you the number that would vote against removal has dwindled over the years and continues to do so. I realize this aspect and also that I haven't seen a politician elected to the White House in my lifetime that is a tried-and-true supporter of the RKBA. That includes Reagan. I despise the lesser of two evils choice but it is what it is.

I'd vote for Reagan today if he was running (without blinders on of course with regards to gun rights).

I place Trump in the category. He isn’t perfect but he’s far better than any other realistic alternative. Watching that video really did break my heart. If It were a Reagan or Cartee/Mondale, I’d have to opt for Reagan but I’d be looking for an alternative in the primary.

[Bulletdog]

Not watching it. Fingers in ears: LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA...

[SteyrAUG]

https://youtu.be/nG4V_6pCLVo

I stumbled upon this video, not what I was expecting to hear from him. I guess it’s not surprising, he must have been happy the Hughes Amendment was placed into FOPA. As much as I think he was a good president (overall), had I been a supporter of Reagan and he was on the campaign trail and I heard this, he would have been dead to me. This tarnishes his legacy with me, has anyone else ever watched this clip?

Once again, this was the version they were TRYING to pass.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...me-Control-Act

So if you ever wondered how exactly the 86 MG Ban aka FOPA 86 happened and why the NRA and a NRA Life Member President (Ronald Reagan) would sign such a thing, you might find this interesting reading.

This is from the Jan. 1986 issue of Soldier of Fortune and this is the legislation Peter Rodino (D-NJ) and William Hughes (D-NJ) were hoping to get passed.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...temp/~bdaPBa::





Under the intended law pre 86 machine guns would be "grandfathered" but non transferable. That means when the owners died, the estate would be required to sell the weapons to the Secretary of the Treasury.

That means damn few people would own ANY machine guns today and nobody would be able to buy one at all. And it contained only a few of the beneficial provisions of FOPA (Firearm Owners Protection Act) 86 in order to make it attractive to some gun owners.

It permitted dealers to sell at gun shows and raised the price of FFL costs to $200 hoping to entice gun dealers to support it by giving them the opportunity to do gun shows and drive "kitchen table" FFLs out of the market. At the time I think a FFL was about $60 for three years.

It eliminated the record keeping requirement for ammo sales (unless it was for 1,000 rounds or more), with FOPA there was no requirement for any record keeping for ammo sales which had existed since 1968.

And this law would not only close the registration for machine guns, but suppressors as well. That means almost NOBODY here would own any kind of suppressor at all.

This is what the NRA and the President were up against with a Democrat majority Congress. This bill would have done little to eliminate abuses and excesses of the 1968 Gun Control Act and would have closed the books on machine guns and suppressors.

It would not contain provisions that protected people from traveling with firearms through states where they are illegal.

It would not contain provisions that protected non dealers who made favorable sales or trades of personal weapons.

It would not contain provisions that allowed the importation of surplus military rifles.

What we got instead was FOPA and Reagan did not have a line item veto. It was ALL or NOTHING and this was the first time since 1968 that some of the worst parts of the 1968 gun control act were eliminated.

It could have been much worse. Most of you guys wouldn't survive if their was no FOPA and if Hughes got the law HE wanted your heads would explode.

[Business_Casual]

Most people aren’t gun guys and can’t tell how many rounds a six-shooter holds. I heard a protester complain about “machine gun bombs” during GW I. A lot of well-intentioned people think a 30-30 lever action is all you need. They’re wrong on a lot of levels, but they aren’t evil.

[PatrioticDisorder]

Once again, this was the version they were TRYING to pass.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...me-Control-Act

So if you ever wondered how exactly the 86 MG Ban aka FOPA 86 happened and why the NRA and a NRA Life Member President (Ronald Reagan) would sign such a thing, you might find this interesting reading.

This is from the Jan. 1986 issue of Soldier of Fortune and this is the legislation Peter Rodino (D-NJ) and William Hughes (D-NJ) were hoping to get passed.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...temp/~bdaPBa::





Under the intended law pre 86 machine guns would be "grandfathered" but non transferable. That means when the owners died, the estate would be required to sell the weapons to the Secretary of the Treasury.

That means damn few people would own ANY machine guns today and nobody would be able to buy one at all. And it contained only a few of the beneficial provisions of FOPA (Firearm Owners Protection Act) 86 in order to make it attractive to some gun owners.

It permitted dealers to sell at gun shows and raised the price of FFL costs to $200 hoping to entice gun dealers to support it by giving them the opportunity to do gun shows and drive "kitchen table" FFLs out of the market. At the time I think a FFL was about $60 for three years.

It eliminated the record keeping requirement for ammo sales (unless it was for 1,000 rounds or more), with FOPA there was no requirement for any record keeping for ammo sales which had existed since 1968.

And this law would not only close the registration for machine guns, but suppressors as well. That means almost NOBODY here would own any kind of suppressor at all.

This is what the NRA and the President were up against with a Democrat majority Congress. This bill would have done little to eliminate abuses and excesses of the 1968 Gun Control Act and would have closed the books on machine guns and suppressors.

It would not contain provisions that protected people from traveling with firearms through states where they are illegal.

It would not contain provisions that protected non dealers who made favorable sales or trades of personal weapons.

It would not contain provisions that allowed the importation of surplus military rifles.

What we got instead was FOPA and Reagan did not have a line item veto. It was ALL or NOTHING and this was the first time since 1968 that some of the worst parts of the 1968 gun control act were eliminated.

It could have been much worse. Most of you guys wouldn't survive if their was no FOPA and if Hughes got the law HE wanted your heads would explode.

I get all that, but if you watch the video, Reagan’s own words were anti machine gun. So even if he had a line item veto, I doubt he would have used it to carve out the Hughes Amendment. Relatively speaking he was still a RKBA supporter compared to most other politicians, but he appears to have been anti-MG. I think that speaks volumes about the prospect of the Hughes Amendment or the Sporting Clause ever being repealed, I sure wouldn’t bet on it.

And I’d also like to take a minute or discuss the left’s strategy, it’s basically ask for the moon but settle for a cloud. In this instance and in many others the left uses the “door in the face technique” to move their political opponents position (the spineless Republicans), so that they are always gaining ground and we are always losing ground, which ultimately shifts the so called Overton window (range of ideas which are acceptable to the public). This is why it’s so important to go on the offensive, but Paul Ryan really screwed us over the past 2 years. Playing defense will only lead to further shifts away from RKBA. Democrats understand this (perhaps instinctively) but elected Republicans seem to be clueless (or complicit).

[Alex V]

Reagan also signed the Mulford Act in California in 1967, saying that there was "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons"

I get the lesser of two evils argument, but I still fail to see why he is placed on such a pedestal.

[prdubi]

Face it....

We are all whores in a rape house.


They are gutless and just come in whenever they need to screw us.



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