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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveS View Post
    Reagan really wasn't the president the Conservative types think he was He really sucked big time.
    I don't think the average peon level conservative has paid attention to what the elites that actually mold it are. A combination of over promise/under deliver and some hope that liberal/left/Democrat = bad must somehow mean conservative/Republican portrayed as their antagonists must equal good.

    Not really any different than a lot of cannon fodder leftists ignoring just what communism actually works out to be for people just like them every time they get what they think they want.

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    Supply side economics worked fine to raise money. The problem was that they spent it all, and then some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    I don't think the average peon level conservative has paid attention to what the elites that actually mold it are. A combination of over promise/under deliver and some hope that liberal/left/Democrat = bad must somehow mean conservative/Republican portrayed as their antagonists must equal good.

    Not really any different than a lot of cannon fodder leftists ignoring just what communism actually works out to be for people just like them every time they get what they think they want.
    It would almost be worth getting communism just to see all the antifa crowd types end up in gulags, work camps or state factories making shoes...almost. Everyone always assumes the "true believers" will be in charge or that they will get their dream job because that is what they would like to do, nobody espousing communism imagines they will end up being required to report to State Factory 39 to manufacture brown shoes, unless of course during time of war when they will simply be inducted into the military.

    I wish I had a magic wand of justice so that all the people who champion communism could end up suffering the worst injustices of China during the cultural revolution, North Korea during the war or the Soviet Union and would trade places with anyone in any of those places who just wanted to be free and have the chance to try and be whatever they wanted to be.

    If we traded every member of the ACP and antifa for those who participated in the Hungarian Revolution or one of Poland's many attempts to rid themselves of communism, we'd be a far greater country than we are.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    If we go full CCCP, I just want to be an instructor for the female students at State School 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex V View Post
    I get the lesser of two evils argument, but I still fail to see why he is placed on such a pedestal.
    I could not agree with you more.
    Never forget every word you spoke when you took your oath of office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Once again, this was the version they were TRYING to pass.

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...me-Control-Act

    So if you ever wondered how exactly the 86 MG Ban aka FOPA 86 happened and why the NRA and a NRA Life Member President (Ronald Reagan) would sign such a thing, you might find this interesting reading.

    This is from the Jan. 1986 issue of Soldier of Fortune and this is the legislation Peter Rodino (D-NJ) and William Hughes (D-NJ) were hoping to get passed.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...temp/~bdaPBa::





    Under the intended law pre 86 machine guns would be "grandfathered" but non transferable. That means when the owners died, the estate would be required to sell the weapons to the Secretary of the Treasury.

    That means damn few people would own ANY machine guns today and nobody would be able to buy one at all. And it contained only a few of the beneficial provisions of FOPA (Firearm Owners Protection Act) 86 in order to make it attractive to some gun owners.

    It permitted dealers to sell at gun shows and raised the price of FFL costs to $200 hoping to entice gun dealers to support it by giving them the opportunity to do gun shows and drive "kitchen table" FFLs out of the market. At the time I think a FFL was about $60 for three years.

    It eliminated the record keeping requirement for ammo sales (unless it was for 1,000 rounds or more), with FOPA there was no requirement for any record keeping for ammo sales which had existed since 1968.

    And this law would not only close the registration for machine guns, but suppressors as well. That means almost NOBODY here would own any kind of suppressor at all.

    This is what the NRA and the President were up against with a Democrat majority Congress. This bill would have done little to eliminate abuses and excesses of the 1968 Gun Control Act and would have closed the books on machine guns and suppressors.

    It would not contain provisions that protected people from traveling with firearms through states where they are illegal.

    It would not contain provisions that protected non dealers who made favorable sales or trades of personal weapons.

    It would not contain provisions that allowed the importation of surplus military rifles.

    What we got instead was FOPA and Reagan did not have a line item veto. It was ALL or NOTHING and this was the first time since 1968 that some of the worst parts of the 1968 gun control act were eliminated.

    It could have been much worse. Most of you guys wouldn't survive if their was no FOPA and if Hughes got the law HE wanted your heads would explode.
    I'm still very angry at the passing of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, but understand the political climate at the time it was enacted. To this day, the fact that a FA gun has risen so much in price due to this law angers me.

    I would like for the 2A to be implemented as it was intended, but there will always be little pieces of it getting chewed off by the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daddyusmaximus View Post
    I'm still very angry at the passing of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, but understand the political climate at the time it was enacted. To this day, the fact that a FA gun has risen so much in price due to this law angers me.

    I would like for the 2A to be implemented as it was intended, but there will always be little pieces of it getting chewed off by the left.
    Your problem is not with FOPA 86, your problem is with the 1968 GCA, specifically the "sporter clause."

    If not for Reagan, even if you won the lottery you wouldn't be able to buy a machine gun. They would all be non transferable because that is what Hughes wanted.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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