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    Quote Originally Posted by ndmiller View Post
    These are your questions and words not mine. I neither said or suggested anything of the sort in my post.....Quoted above so you can see it doesn't.

    I don't buy the "everything we do in life always involve tradeoffs and decisions about relative values". I'd rephrase to "some things some people do in life sometimes involve tradeoffs and decisions about relative values". Just as meaningless as your absolute version.

    If your position is it's ok for people to die anyway because they'll die with either choice, I choose to let the economy tank. I'm prepared for that and my family and friends will be fine. When people finally figure this out, we'll have the treatments and vaccine and life will be just fine.

    Most of the economy is not necessity but wants, so all that extra stuff beyond food, water, shelter can go as far as I'm concerned. And since we're mortal we're all going to go sometime, so why not the financially unprepared this time. My only condition is no more pro life BS, execute everyone on death row immediately and you need to show who you voted for in 2016 in order to get food/water/shelter assistance from the Government.

    Yes my response if more cavalier with life and nonsensical than yours, but not really by that much.......
    You own firearms? How many accidental shooting are there every year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    You own firearms? How many accidental shooting are there every year?
    Don't bother, ND's post is very ignorant and shows the "I got mine" attitude. He has savings and food so it doesn't matter to him if the "economy tanks" and millions are without jobs, food, shelter, medicines, etc.... Big Brother will provide and determine what is necessary since most industries are supplying "wants" anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckman View Post
    We don't need to hash out COVID here; there are other threads. Statistically it's rated a 'meh.' I say this being in HC, having had to prepare a health system for it, and having access to the data. Could you imagine society's reaction if this virus killed 'just' 10% of everyone across the age spectrum? Mass hysteria. It's minor hysteria now.
    What drew me to this thread was the idea that the govt could think that people would have 6 months of living in-house, or more specifically, that the govt may be unable to reliably supply those materials for 6 months. That is sobering. The problem is that for 95% of people, how well they are prepared is inconsequential when you look at how their neighbors are prepared. If you have a dike on the river, or a pump for your part of the lifeboat, if you neighbor isn’t prepared, they’ll take you down with them. Not saying don’t prepare, just be ready for them not being ready.

    In some ways this pandemic is a wake up call for “the show“. As someone mentioned some thing much more lethal and perhaps even more transmitting with this viruses ability to leave some untouched and transmitted asymptomatically, then you are really talking about hard times. Specially if people would show the same level of engagement on prevention. We are seeing societal fissures with people being asked to wear masks. Imagine if they were doing contact tracing and pulling people out of their houses to go to concentration camps if they are suspected of being in contact with someone.
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndmiller View Post
    These are your questions and words not mine. I neither said or suggested anything of the sort in my post.....Quoted above so you can see it doesn't.

    I don't buy the "everything we do in life always involve tradeoffs and decisions about relative values". I'd rephrase to "some things some people do in life sometimes involve tradeoffs and decisions about relative values". Just as meaningless as your absolute version.

    If your position is it's ok for people to die anyway because they'll die with either choice, I choose to let the economy tank. I'm prepared for that and my family and friends will be fine. When people finally figure this out, we'll have the treatments and vaccine and life will be just fine.

    Most of the economy is not necessity but wants, so all that extra stuff beyond food, water, shelter can go as far as I'm concerned. And since we're mortal we're all going to go sometime, so why not the financially unprepared this time. My only condition is no more pro life BS, execute everyone on death row immediately and you need to show who you voted for in 2016 in order to get food/water/shelter assistance from the Government.

    Yes my response if more cavalier with life and nonsensical than yours, but not really by that much.......
    OK. So your position is that anything that won't harm you and your family is fine, no matter how many lives it destroys or people it kills -- and you mask that behind pretending you care about the small number of old and/or sick people who might die if healthy people start resuming their lives.

    If you bothered reading my post you would have seen that I didn't take a position on what we should do, I simply offered some questions to highlight the choices available.

    I must say that I love your pretense that "Most of the economy is not necessity" -- that position has a patina of truth to it, until you scratch the surface of just how interconnected the entire economy really is and the fact that a large fraction of the population in every developed nation are in jobs that depend on those "not necessity" functions you dismiss so casually.

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    This job or that job, how can we tell which one is more valuable? If only there was a market-based way for us to objectively compare the value of different things, maybe make it universal and interchangeable by everyone. That Way we could evaluate, divide up, and assign resources based on what people value the most.

    If only? That would be the money shot.

    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndmiller View Post
    Most of the economy is not necessity but wants, so all that extra stuff beyond food, water, shelter can go as far as I'm concerned....
    Wow...so your life/existence would be a throw back to cave man days. Living in caves with bare necessities. 'Need' is a socialist concept of sorts, "Want" is capitalism, luxury and the finer things in life. One doesn't need a Porsche, go walk. One doesn't need a waterfront luxury condo, go live in hut, one can eat scraps, snakes, and rat meat, others prefer Kobe beef or a rare porterhouse, one doesn't need a firearm, get a sharp stick. Food, water, shelter, enjoy your basic needs on a plebeian scale; others satisfy those basic needs on a different level, that is WANTS!

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