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    Assault Weapons Ban 2019

    The wings bats have gathered to propose a new AWB as expected:

    Washington—Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) today led a group of senators in introducing the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019, an updated bill to ban the sale, transfer, manufacture and importation of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

    In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

    “Last year we saw tens of thousands of students nationwide take to the streets to demand action to stop mass shootings and stem the epidemic of gun violence that plagues our communities. Our youngest generation has grown up with active-shooter drills, hiding under their desks—and now they’re saying enough is enough,” said Senator Dianne Feinstein. “Americans across the nation are asking Congress to reinstate the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. If we’re going to put a stop to mass shootings and protect our children, we need to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

    “Military-style assault rifles are the weapons of choice for mass murderers. There’s just no reason why these guns, which were designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible, are sold to the public,” said Senator Chris Murphy. “This past year, we’ve seen Americans rise up and demand Congress change our gun laws. Banning assault weapons would save lives, and I’m proud to join Senator Feinstein in introducing this bill.”

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    **** em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack7.62 View Post
    **** em.
    I read Trump told Difi he'd consider signing an AWB. I don't have the link it was on Facebook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygunguy View Post
    I read Trump told Difi he'd consider signing an AWB. I don't have the link it was on Facebook
    I read the article. This is correct. He supported the 1994 AWB when it was passed, and he's a NY Democrat. What do you expect? I don't know why people voted for him beyond "He's not Hillary". That's why I voted for him. He's not some savior. He's just not the devil by name.

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    Trump has been pushing to keep a lot of his campaign promises, more than most.
    Hes been great on economy.

    Ive always had slight reservations about his 2a stance,but his son was out there running that game well. This made me optimistic, but the last few months have been dissapointing to say the least.
    Where is Jr now? I think Trump will win 2020, but it seems its going to be a battle for 2a stuff for the next 6(?) years.

    The 94 bill was 24 years ago, people can change views in 24 years. I was hoping he did, perhaps not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    I read the article. This is correct. He supported the 1994 AWB when it was passed, and he's a NY Democrat. What do you expect? I don't know why people voted for him beyond "He's not Hillary". That's why I voted for him. He's not some savior. He's just not the devil by name.
    Not saying anything about Trump, but Bush (43) also vowed to sign the AW ban if it reached his desk.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/george_w_...tm#Gun_Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Not saying anything about Trump, but Bush (43) also vowed to sign the AW ban if it reached his desk.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/george_w_...tm#Gun_Control

    Would sign, but would not push, gun restrictions. (Apr 2000)
    Ban automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips. (Apr 2000)
    A good reminder that Politicians, especially at the upper levels of Government, are generally anti-2a regardless of which party they happen to belong to.

    They know enough to obscure it during election years, especially Republicans, but the only thing keeping most of them from voting away our gun rights is the fear of losing re-election, not principle or a belief in liberty.

    I think Democrats have only amped up the anti-gun rhetoric because of two things: gun control is increasingly seen as an issue that their base will support and only those who are already political opponents will oppose; and more importantly Bloomberg has been pouring money into the campaigns of politicians who align themselves with Everytown and his other astroturf anti-gun organizations. In politics money talks about all else.

    It wouldn't surprise me to find that the majority of old school GOP congressmen would support an AWB and other severe restrictions on 2A rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygunguy View Post
    I read Trump told Difi he'd consider signing an AWB. I don't have the link it was on Facebook
    Donald Trump says he’s open to Dianne Feinstein’s assault weapons age limit – or even a ban

    Video at link: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nat...202733214.html

    Washington

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein got a high-profile boost for her new legislation to raise the minimum age for purchasing assault rifles.

    President Donald Trump raised the issue, unprompted, during a roughly hour-long televised meeting with Feinstein and other members of Congress Wednesday afternoon at the White House. “I think it’s something you have to think about,” Trump said at the gathering to discuss school safety. “It doesn’t make sense that I have to wait until I’m 21 to get a handgun but I can get this weapon at 18,” he added, referring to assault rifles.

    Trump’s comments came the same day Feinstein and Arizona Republican Sen. Jeff Flake formally rolled out their bipartisan legislation to raise the minimum age for purchasing assault weapons and high capacity magazines from 18 to 21. The California Democrat, sitting directly to the president’s left at the White House meeting, interjected at one point, asking if he’d sign legislation to raise the age to 21.

    Trump said he’d give it “serious thought,” even though he acknowledged the National Rifle Association opposed such a proposal. The president said he’d been “asked that question more than any other question” in the wake of the Feb. 14 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, which killed 17 people.

    He also didn’t rule out the idea of outlawing assault weapons, like the semi-automatic AR-15 rifle gunman Nikolas Cruz used to mow down students and teachers at Stoneman Douglas High. Feinstein pitched her 2017 legislation to renew the ban at the beginning of the meeting, handing Trump a copy of the bill. She was the author of the original assault weapons ban that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1994. It expired in 2004.

    Later, the president asked Sens. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Joe Manchin of West Virginia if they could fold Feinstein’s legislation (and another proposal from Minnesota Democratic Sen. Amy Klobucher) into their bipartisan background checks bill. “Can you add what Amy and Dianne have, can you add them in?” Trump asked. Feinstein’s gleeful reaction, smiling widely and appearing to plead with Toomey and Manchin, immediately began circulating on Twitter.

    Congressional Republicans, meanwhile, were trying not to grimace. Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas tried to pour cold water on Trump’s suggestion about the assault weapons ban and other proposals the president advocated for during the meeting – which are well beyond what GOP lawmakers are willing to consider. Gun rights groups also promptly rejected the president’s proposals.

    “President Trump and Congress need to stop talking about passing more burdensome gun control laws and start working to pass common-sense legislation to protect and advance the right to keep and bear arms,” Richard Thomson, grassroots director at the Sacramento-based Firearms Policy Coalition, said in a statement.

    Without Republican support, it’s highly unlikely any of these more ambitious proposals will move through Congress.

    “The biggest thing is to act,” Cornyn reminded Trump. Cornyn and other Republicans are arguing that the one thing Congress members from both parties can agree on is the Texas Republican’s legislation to improve the data that goes to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System or NICS. The House passed their version of the bill last December.

    Democrats say that’s just a start. “Fix NICS would be a good thing to do, but it’s a tiny step when we need a giant leap. It cannot be the only thing we do,” Democratic Senate Leader Chuck Schumer said Wednesday in a speech on the Senate floor. In particular, Schumer is advocating for universal background checks legislation along the lines of what Manchin and Toomey have proposed. Among other things, it would close loopholes that allow gun buyers at gun shows or on the Internet to avoid background checks. The proposal garnered 54 votes in the Senate in 2013, not enough to overcome a filibuster.

    But Manchin and Toomey argued Wednesday that the president’s support could lead to a different outcome this year. They predicted it will would get the necessary 60 votes in the Senate with his backing.

    The president reiterated over the course of the meeting that he wanted a “comprehensive” bill to fix the background checks system, as well as strengthen school security and address mental health issues. He said the legislation would not have to address bump stocks – the device the Las Vegas gunman used last October that allowed his semi-automatic weapon to fire like an automatic weapon. Feinstein introduced legislation in the fall to outlaw that device, as well.

    Trump insisted at the meeting he could ban bump stocks via executive action. “You don’t have to worry about bump stocks, that will be gone,” he said, adding, “we’ll have that done pretty quickly.” Feinstein has continued to argue that the administration does not have that authority, and that congressional action is needed to amend the law on automatic weapons. But she did not raise the point with Trump on Wednesday.

    Instead, Feinstein focused on assault weapons, which has been a priority of hers for decades. It’s also one of the issues she’s emphasizing in her bid for reelection this fall. Last weekend in San Diego, Feinstein promised an audience at the California Democratic Party’s annual convention that she would not rest “until we get these AR-15s off of the streets and out of the hands of people who would use them to kill others.”

    Her exchanges with the president on Wednesday may not help her with California’s Democratic faithful, however. At one point on Wednesday the president told Feinstein she had “some very good ideas” -- praise that will certainly not be a badge of honor among California’s left. They loathe Trump and already regard Feinstein with suspicion for her moderate positions on some issues. The party’s liberal base refused to endorse the 25-year incumbent at their convention.
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    Yup. that's the article, and I also think people are giving Trump WAYYYY too much credit on the economy. He's overclocking it, and starting dangerous trade wars that he is viewing as 2 dimensional when they are actually 3D ("If we don't compromise with them, they will have to pay as we demand!" vs. "If we don't compromise with them, they will possibly find a secondary source that will rise to the occasion and benefit massively, replacing us in this market."). Soon enough the tax cuts we are enjoying will expire, while the corporate tax cuts continue, and the sugar high will wear off. It was a total bread and circuses move. I'll be the first to say a few thousand dollars a year less in taxes is awesome, and I love it, but I do not think I will define the economy based on that and short-term results.

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    Over 70,000 deaths of US citizens last year directly caused by the hard drugs coming across our southern border. The Democrats could care less about that. We ought to ban the Democratic Party.

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