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    First, didn't say I was doing 20 carbs, just that 20 is "strict keto" by the book I'm working from.

    Second, we need to consider that my household has two case studies to deal with...

    Case 1 (me) male, a week shy of 39, 5'6", started at 238lb, currently around 227. Already on a mostly-carnivorous diet, this has mainly been a change in the form of "less sugar and starch, more vegetables." In terms of metabolism and digestive system, my nutritionist has described me as "the GI tract of a small tyrannosaur stuffed into a human body." Can pop out a ten-minute mile, but usually wasted for half a day after when I do. Normal exercise regimen is a couple half-mile jogs a week, opportunities limited by Case 2's caregiving needs so it's around five laps around the apartment complex twice a day.
    Case 2 (my mother) female, 62, 5'2", typical week between 315-320lb. Lymphedema and severe arthritis (both knees blown), blood pressure high but managed. Functionally immobile except short walks and requires live-in caregiver and assistant, so she's lucky that I can telecommute and most office hours are for a client in Italy, so I work while she's sleeping.
    Common case notes: Neither of us is diabetic or prediabetic, both are better than normal cholesterol--in Mom's case, they didn't think her numbers were POSSIBLE at her BMI so they had to run the tests a second time to make sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramairthree View Post
    As long as the maximum calories a human can burn in an hour is about 1000
    This is my reality, if I really crunch, I can approach 1000 calories in an hour based on the True calculated calories.

    More likely, I'll do 750-800. That is doing sustained 75-80% maximum heartrate for age, three 15-20 minute sessions. (I can reach my maximum in a treadmill test)

    And if I stayed for the group session (another 30 minutes) would beat that a bit.

    And that is probably my limit 2-3 times a week at my age and knee/back condition.

    If I'm really good, I get some 20 minute elevated heartrate sessions on off days, but hard to do with current work schedule.

    That said, dodge the sugared drinks, nuisance carbs, and a whopper patty ends up more like 230-250.

    So you gotta do both.

    DB, gotta cut the sugared drinks. It will suck for a bit, then it will be fine. And when you do get one it tastes like cough syrup! And water starts to taste better.

    If I'm going to have sugar, it's going to be pie or cake. Ice cream I do OK with the Carb-Smart, seems a reasonable compromise. I think it tastes good.

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    Pinz, this already is a HUGE cut--normal in college was a 2-liter a day (even when I was down to 160), then a 1-1.25-liter a day from post-college through the Middle Age Bloat up til a month ago, now down to about 1/4 that. Enough that I've cut most of the bad effects while still avoiding caffeine-withdrawal. Admittedly the 8-ounce Icee Slush on really hot days after having to shove 350# of wheelchair around for a few hours is a half-step backward, but the rest of the time that 3/4 bottle has been replaced by more water, tea, and cranberry/cran-raspberry, orange and V8 juices. Thinking is "start easy and see how far that gets me; when it no longer produces results tighten the screws"--remember, eating vegetation is not natural for me, in order to get those salads down I have to bury them under a mountain of protein and drown them in ridiculous amounts of vinegar.

    Other considerations: Family histories of both huge frame sizes relative to height AND tending to run fat on top of that, congenital severe allergy to all fish and shellfish. (The past two generations it means violent projectile expulsion at both ends, but in the past it has caused fatalities. Ironic, living in one of the country's seafood hotspots...)

    Funny thing, a client over in the Netherlands is my mom's height but only 140, and when she heard about Mom being over twice her weight she commented "Now I don't feel so bad about the little *I* have to work off!"
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    Lots going on in the last couple days in this thread. I was going to start a new one, but I guess I won't now.

    As noted earlier I am on a life style change journey focused on better health and weight loss. I did it as much as for me as it was for my overweight pre-diabetic wife. Child bearing was very hard on her as she developed several issues with her thyroid and the family history of diabetes. She's been good about her low carb diet, but was still eating too much. Eventually I hope it leads to a life style change of wanting to exercise, but that can come later.

    Starting on Feb 1 I weighed 290#. I was eating pretty well; no fast food, no sodas, very few candy bars, watching my sweets and deserts, but you can still eat right and eat too many calories. Five years ago I weighed 270#, so I wasn't exactly gaining rapidly.

    I literally woke up one morning and told myself enough is enough. I'd been reading stuff by Will Brink, following threads here, and doing my own research. My research lead me to what I already knew.. you can low carb and still eat too many calories. I started paying attention to carbs AND calories. I spent days researching foods I liked and started classifying them as to whether or not I could continue to eat them. Once I had an extensive list of "good" food we could shop for we started finding recipes that I could use to cook that food. It wasn't some super exclusive list either. I basically took grandma's cookbook and filed it away. My wife and I are now writing and keeping a new cookbook. Luckily, our meat dishes basically didn't have to change and that made up over 60% of our meals already. I redid my recipes that had rice and replaced them with cauliflower rice. We redid most of our spaghetti and other noodle dishes with spaghetti squash. I make my own beef jerky and snack sticks. Bread, corn, rice and potatoes are out, but I can't say I miss them. Snacks are "real" foods like nuts and fruit, but neither of us snack much. Throughout this process we weighed items and used the best numbers we could get to establish calorie numbers. It really only took about a month to recognize what a serving size actually looked like on the majority of the food items we ate.

    I did my research and it basically said I needed to eat 2400 calories a day to maintain my weight at 180 (my goal). Sure, it can be off by a bunch, but it was a good number to calculate from. I then decided I wanted to scrub 7000 calories a week and that should remove 2# a week (once again..debatable number). That left me with about 1400 calories allowed per day. Bowing to my wife's need of keeping her carbs under 50gr per day (pre-diabetic), we paid close attention to the carbs.. What I found out was that I was content eating 500 calories for lunch and 6-700 for dinner. I skipped eating breakfast and only consume food from 12noon to 8 pm. (I refuse to call it fasting..it's just skipping F'ing breakfast). All the sudden I was dropping 5 lbs a week. Then I leveled out at some point and am now dropping about 2.5# a week. I missed my June goal by 1/2 of a pound, but I'll make it up this week.

    At some point you have to look at some foods as "poison". I look at soda pop that way. I can't even imagine ingesting it now.

    Eating foods without bread is easy for me once I started doing it. Pretty much every sandwich can just be made into a salad, or eaten with a knife and fork.

    If you try this and your wife is heavy, be prepared to outrun her significantly in weight loss. In our case it's simply the math. My wife should be eating 1900-2000 calories a day to maintain. She eats the same sized meals as me, so she is only in a 600 calorie a day deficit or 4200 a week. She loses a little over a pound a week. She's o.k. with that because she's a smart lady and understands the math.

    As of this morning I have dropped 50#. I still have 50 to go at a minimum. I cannot imagine what that is going to be like, but I'm sure it will be nice. Hmac's physiology comment above kinda was a kick in the nuts, but then I decided that being in the 2% of successful weight losers is something I can be. Rather than take it negatively, I decided to use it as motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Pinz, this already is a HUGE cut--normal in college was a 2-liter a day (even when I was down to 160), then a 1-1.25-liter a day from post-college through the Middle Age Bloat up til a month ago, now down to about 1/4 that. Enough that I've cut most of the bad effects while still avoiding caffeine-withdrawal. Admittedly the 8-ounce Icee Slush on really hot days after having to shove 350# of wheelchair around for a few hours, but the rest of the time that 3/4 bottle has been replaced by more water, tea, and cranberry/cran-raspberry, orange and V8 juices. Thinking is "start easy and see how far that gets me; when it no longer produces results tighten the screws"--remember, eating vegetation is not natural for me, in order to get those salads down I have to bury them under a mountain of protein and drown them in ridiculous amounts of vinegar.

    Other considerations: Family histories of both huge frame sizes relative to height AND tending to run fat on top of that, congenital severe allergy to all fish and shellfish. (The past two generations it means violent projectile expulsion at both ends, but in the past it has caused fatalities. Ironic, living in one of the country's seafood hotspots...)

    Funny thing, a client over in the Netherlands is my mom's height but only 140, and when she heard about Mom being over twice her weight she commented "Now I don't feel so bad about the little *I* have to work off!"
    Start reading those labels. All of those processed juices are bad as well. Some of those cran/raz drinks have as much sugar as a soda. If you need the caffeine, an iced coffee will have just as much. At my local truck stop I fill a cup full of ice from the soda fountain and then go to the coffee pot and top it off. Add a bit of cream and I'm on my way with a no sugar, low carb caffeine boost.

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    You gotta read labels. You just gotta.

    I've eliminated mid-meal and evening snacks (well, 90%, anyway). That took care of 400 calories or better. That's 2800 cals a week; add on burning around 1000 a week. I'm in the slow-and-steady-wins-the-race mode.

    What I don't do: I don't straight-out eliminate any specific food. I love donuts. I don't eat them often, maybe once a month, so when I do I'm not going to be sad that have two. Same with ice cream, etc.

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