Roger Stone Arrested

**FromMyColdDeadHand** · 01-25-19, 14:36

Remember, when it comes to Trump and headlines and cases, it is always the worst the moment it breaks. As the story matures or the details come out, the problems and the BS start to filter to the top.

ETA: A lot is being made that some senior campaign person was directed (supposedly by TRUMP) to get Stone to contact Wikileaks about getting more Clinton dirt. Which Stone then did.

So Wikileaks isn't Russians. So there is that problem.

The other issue is that supposedly Stone reported back about 'potential' other info. Considering the indictment uses the word 'potential' that seems like a pretty important weasel word. As Dershowtiz says, you have to separate the crimes from the story. Mueller is always long on story and short on crimes - and the crimes are all after the fact process issues.

Not saying that this is good news for Trump. That no lefty seems to ever be charged for clear lies to Congress is simply infuriating. It also doesn't bode well for Trumpians as they face more House investigations. They really need to learn to not remember stuff, since there is no quarter given.

**glocktogo** · 01-25-19, 17:40

Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand

It also doesn't bode well for Trumpians as they face more House investigations. They really need to learn to not remember stuff, since there is no quarter given.

I'll never understand how such "smart" individuals fall for the oldest trick in the book, the perjury trap. You want to come take my stuff? SURE! Come get whatever you want! But I'll never speak to you and every time someone asks me a question, I'll refer them to you, because you have all the answers. As a matter of fact, I'm not talking to Congress, the media, my mother or my priest. IF I talk to MY attorney, it will be in a soundproof booth, swept for bugs and all electronic devices left outside. Oh, and I'm not signing anything except a blanket immunity agreement that absolves me of everything, which includes "lying" to you or misleading you after the fact (which guarantees I'm not signing anything).

The list of things I'd trust before trusting a federal investigator or prosecutor would include such things as venomous snakes, water buffalo, hippos, polar bears, Africanized bees and scantily clad "ladies" from Thailand. Oh, and strippers. Can't forget those!

**flenna** · 01-25-19, 17:47

Originally Posted by glocktogo

I'll never understand how such "smart" individuals fall for the oldest trick in the book, the perjury trap. You want to come take my stuff? SURE! Come get whatever you want! But I'll never speak to you and every time someone asks me a question, I'll refer them to you, because you have all the answers. As a matter of fact, I'm not talking to Congress, the media, my mother or my priest. IF I talk to MY attorney, it will be in a soundproof booth, swept for bugs and all electronic devices left outside. Oh, and I'm not signing anything except a blanket immunity agreement that absolves me of everything, which includes "lying" to you or misleading you after the fact (which guarantees I'm not signing anything).

The list of things I'd trust before trusting a federal investigator or prosecutor would include such things as venomous snakes, water buffalo, hippos, polar bears, Africanized bees and scantily clad "ladies" from Thailand. Oh, and strippers. Can't forget those!

Because honest people make the mistake thinking others are honest. Make no mistake, this is a coup that will go down as one of the most infamous times in our history. That is if we survive as a country.

**glocktogo** · 01-25-19, 17:54

Originally Posted by flenna

Because honest people make the mistake thinking others are honest. Make no mistake, this is a coup that will go down as one of the most infamous times in our history. That is if we survive as a country.

Oh I don't think ANY of them are honest. I think their hubris doesn't allow them to see that they're the least dishonest people in the room.

**FromMyColdDeadHand** · 01-25-19, 17:55

Trump should just pardon everyone and fire Mueller. It really doesn't matter. Let them impeach him. Let them bring that weak-ass obstruction charge to the Senate. Put all the cards on the table.

One thing Trump should have done when all this started was to put a deadline on it. Maybe the same amount of time BHO put on ending Iraq. Not a rush. Hell 12-18 months and tell Mueller he had to be done.

**ThirdWatcher** · 01-25-19, 17:58

Originally Posted by AndyLate

They could have called his lawyer, told him to come in Monday, saved the gas the agents would have used, and they would not have had to feed and house him over the weekend...

+1. That would make too much sense.

**lowprone** · 01-25-19, 18:05

Trump is going to have to get heavy handed to put an end to this Stalinist B.S.

**FromMyColdDeadHand** · 01-25-19, 18:18

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ged-with-doing

All the counts stem from Stone's Sept. 26, 2017, interview with the House Intelligence Committee investigating Russia's attempt to influence the 2016 election and the response by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies. Stone is not charged with lying to or attempting to obstruct the Mueller investigation.

So Stone is charged with being a whore in a whore house, big whopdy.

That article is about the best summary I have read yet about the actual charges. One one hand, it sounds like Stone is screwed. He said things and there are in emails that contradict what he said. Now, how nuanced that would be is interesting. Stone in his comments today seems to be making the defense that he inaccuracies were immaterial. Have fun with that.

On the other hand, this still doesn't have anything to do with Russia. People can try to whip up some Wikileaks and Russia conspiracy, but the Trump part of that would be in reaction to what Wikileaks was doing- and was really no different than any other reporter or campaign would be doing. The reality that the dossier and that line of attack by Russia was far more interactional and deep than anything the Trump campaign was doing.

So Stone, the ultimate operative, testifies to Congress with actual answers and doesn't destroy his email? Did he learn nothing from the Clintons?