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    Franklin Armory blacklists InRangeTV at SHOT Show 2019

    I'm pretty sure most of you are familiar with InRangeTV. If not, then you should be. It's a very entertaining and informative show. It's primarily a firearm focused program, but they cover other subjects as well - I particularly like Karl's history vignettes.

    The hosts of InRangeTV are regulars at SHOT Show, and manufacturers typically welcome them into their booths. Last year at SHOT Show Franklin Armory debuted the "Reformation" - their "non-rifled AR" - which Karl and Ian gave a critical review of. This year Franklin Armory debuted their new "Providence" non-semiautomatic AR, and they have barred InRangeTV from their booth and from reviewing the weapon.
    Not a wise business decision in my opinion.

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    If you watch the original IRTV video, Karl and Ian didn't try to trip the Franklin Armory spokesman up - he did that himself, just fine, tripping over his own toes.

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    I completely disagree with InRange's methods at these events.

    They did the same bullshit at the Mossberg booth about the shockwave in 2018.

    They ask gotcha questions which put the vendor's item in a negative light.

    They are like little kids that keep asking "why?" Why? WHY????!!!!

    If someone doesn't get the concept behind the Reformation, that person is retarded.
    Last edited by scottryan; 01-25-19 at 10:55.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    I completely disagree with InRange's methods at these events.

    They did the same bullshit at the Mossberg booth about the shockwave in 2018.

    They ask gotcha questions which put the vendor's item in a negative light.

    They are like little kids that keep asking "why?" Why? WHY????!!!!

    If someone doesn't get the concept behind the Reformation, that person is retarded.
    Missed the reformation video, usually really like their stuff, but did catch the shockwave one and have to agree.

    And the thing is, they do know why on the reformation and shockwave because in at least one of their bullpup vids they mentioned as being a way to sbr size without nfa.

    While I am not a big shotgun fan in general and have never shot a pistol gripped 12 gauge, based on shooting .44 magnum Blackhawk and .44 Redhawk I have to assume shooting a 12 gauge with traditional versus the shockwave was not an apples to apples comparison either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    Missed the reformation video, usually really like their stuff, but did catch the shockwave one and have to agree.

    And the thing is, they do know why on the reformation and shockwave because in at least one of their bullpup vids they mentioned as being a way to sbr size without nfa.

    While I am not a big shotgun fan in general and have never shot a pistol gripped 12 gauge, based on shooting .44 magnum Blackhawk and .44 Redhawk I have to assume shooting a 12 gauge with traditional versus the shockwave was not an apples to apples comparison either.
    I think the InRange guys' objection to the Reformation and the Shockwave were not that they exist, because I recall them saying they get the whole idea of giving a finger to the NFA, but that the manufacturers of those products were trying to pass them off as being something other than just simple NFA workarounds. As though their NFA-skirting quirks somehow made them superior to other, more conventional options for practical purposes. Mossberg was basically describing the Shockwave as like the "ultimate home defense weapon" for women or something. And Franklin Armory was practically portraying the Reformation and it's Nerf bullets as the next great leap in kinetic energy projectile technology.
    Something about the Shockwave did seem to rankle Ian (The milder mannered, long haired guy) in particular though. As I recall comments made by Karl (Who is usually the bigger jackass of the two) later that even he was caught off guard by the way the normally laid back Ian went after the Mossberg rep.
    To be fair to the companies though, I suppose it's probably a smart move to at least try and portray these products as having some kind of purpose beyond "Get bent, NFA" because while there's nothing illegal about that, it is in their best interests to maintain good relations with the ATF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    I completely disagree with InRange's methods at these events.

    They did the same bullshit at the Mossberg booth about the shockwave in 2018.

    They ask gotcha questions which put the vendor's item in a negative light.

    They are like little kids that keep asking "why?" Why? WHY????!!!!

    If someone doesn't get the concept behind the Reformation, that person is retarded.
    This is exactly why I stopped caring about anything they do anymore. I even unsubscribed from their youtube pages. He was absolutely arrogant and rude with the Mossberg interview, and he had a few others from SHOT last year as well that just kind of sucked.

    Ian's ego has gotten insane as his channel has grown in popularity, he acts like every single thing he covers in the interviews, he knows more, or better than the manufacturer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedWillis View Post
    This is exactly why I stopped caring about anything they do anymore. I even unsubscribed from their youtube pages. He was absolutely arrogant and rude with the Mossberg interview, and he had a few others from SHOT last year as well that just kind of sucked.

    Ian's ego has gotten insane as his channel has grown in popularity, he acts like every single thing he covers in the interviews, he knows more, or better than the manufacturer.
    My experience was similar. If I recall correctly I watched a video or two, subscribed, and then unsubscribed about an hour later after watching a few more. The douchiness is almost nauseating at times....I don’t care how knowledgeable they are on things.

    I’d have a hard time acting cordial if I was a rep at SHOT and he started an interview with that smug attitude. If he wasn’t into guns I’d peg him as a huge liberal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    If you watch the original IRTV video, Karl and Ian didn't try to trip the Franklin Armory spokesman up - he did that himself, just fine, tripping over his own toes.

    You gotta love the "audio only" portion of the video...
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    Pretty low class at InRange. Not even men enough to face up straight up. Never watched them and now never will.

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