5 LEOs shot in TX

[thopkins22]

I was surprised to see that they only got a few weapons, weed, and maybe coke.

UC’s successfully purchased heroine at the house. Bad timing/interesting point made earlier about rescuing drugs.

[SteyrAUG]

Hope the officers make a full recovery.

The war on drugs doesn’t work, just like Prohibition didn’t work. We don’t learn from history in this country. What a waste.

There was also a time heroin and hard drugs were legal. Making them legal again would be failing to learn from that part of history.

[Coal Dragger]

Making drugs illegal hasn’t prevented trade in drugs or use of them. Just increased incarceration rates, and wasting money and lives.

[thopkins22]

There was also a time heroin and hard drugs were legal. Making them legal again would be failing to learn from that part of history.

The lesson is that there was no epidemic as we know it today, black market drug economies didn’t exist so the disputes could be handled in the courts, and personal responsibility is important.

Were there opium dens? Sure. There are opium dens today. There are also pain management centers where plenty of people who actually do need medication are lined up for opiates. Never mind the people that don’t need it.

Look at countries where addiction to opiates and other hard drugs is treated as a medical condition vs a criminal act, and look at their usage/addiction rates vs ours. We’re not learning lessons that are all around us.

But...given that it is illegal, only the biggest pieces of shit deal heroine. It’s not like a pot dealer or even a coke dealer where you might say “totally unproductive member of society, but may have some redeeming qualities and might not be a dog shit human being.”

[SteyrAUG]

The lesson is that there was no epidemic as we know it today, black market drug economies didn’t exist so the disputes could be handled in the courts, and personal responsibility is important.

Were there opium dens? Sure. There are opium dens today. There are also pain management centers where plenty of people who actually do need medication are lined up for opiates. Never mind the people that don’t need it.

Look at countries where addiction to opiates and other hard drugs is treated as a medical condition vs a criminal act, and look at their usage/addiction rates vs ours. We’re not learning lessons that are all around us.

But...given that it is illegal, only the biggest pieces of shit deal heroine. It’s not like a pot dealer or even a coke dealer where you might say “totally unproductive member of society, but may have some redeeming qualities and might not be a dog shit human being.”

I understand that argument. But when your kids get killed by somebody driving high on heroin it changes the debate. I understand people still get heroin, I understand people still drive while high on heroin, but having it legal makes additional people assume it's somehow ok.

Personally I propose supervised clinic where any drug is legal, affordable and taxes BUT you cannot leave under the influence. And if that creates a situation where users are basically self incarcerated I'm fine with that outcome.

[Firefly]

What would Duterte do?

I’m not opposed to crucifixions and clean sweep orders on cartels

I likewise don’t have a problem with decriminalizing drugs.

Still...somebody gotta pay for these shot police....

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

I was surprised to see that they only got a few weapons, weed, and maybe coke.

That is, unfortunately, how the game goes sometimes. There can be days where there are kilos in the house, and days where there is residue left on a scale. Good timing, good CI's, and a little bit of luck are required.

[chuckman]

I wonder if the bus (ambulance) was staged, or if they had Tac Med? The helo was overkill.

[thopkins22]

I wonder if the bus (ambulance) was staged, or if they had Tac Med? The helo was overkill.

No and I’m not sure. If you get shot in the neck as rush hour is beginning, I don’t think you’d feel like it was overkill.

[chuckman]

Patient outcome is the metric by which one measures effectiveness of the resources, and doubt there's anything that the helo could have done differently than EMS. Interestingly, Philadelphia Police department has taken to throwing gunshot victims in the back of their squad cars and taking them to the hospital, and they have a better outcome than gunshot victims transported by EMS.

But at the very least they should have had a bus on standby.