5 LEOs shot in TX

[SteyrAUG]

Along these lines...



Is it better or worse when your kid gets killed by one of the estimated 8.1 million Americans who are alcoholics (of the 13.8 million Americans estimated to have a problem with alcohol) rather than one of the estimated 948,000 Americans who use heroin?

I don't think that making something legal makes something seem OK.

I think you know the answer to that question. But heroin impairs a person more quickly and with greater severity than alcohol. But my main point was there are millions of people who can drink alcohol without abusing it, can't say the same for heroin.

As for legality, absolutely makes a difference. If a kid see's adults smoking and drinking, kids want to emulate that behavior. But most kids (normal kids) usually don't see their parents scoring heroin and shooting up.

[SteyrAUG]

I think that's a good solution that has worked well for Switzerland, at the very least.

Not surprised Switzerland has their shit together. Making premium chocolate, watches and firearms. War? They are pretty much sidelines but will be happy to hold your wallet while you fight.

[sundance435]

I think that's a good solution that has worked well for Switzerland, at the very least.

Not surprised Switzerland has their shit together. Making premium chocolate, watches and firearms. War? They are pretty much sidelines but will be happy to hold your wallet while you fight.

A country of 8.5 million the size of South Carolina with a 100% service economy that can afford to subsidize the relatively few "have nots". Comparisons to other countries are nearly worthless.

[flenna]

Getting back to the shooting if I am not missing anything it says that one guy with a revolver ambushed and shot all those officers. Is that correct? That was from the initial reports.

[SteyrAUG]

A country of 8.5 million the size of South Carolina with a 100% service economy that can afford to subsidize the relatively few "have nots". Comparisons to other countries are nearly worthless.

True. But we could do the same with some level of success. The program would likely pay for itself given the cost of taking care of addicts at the current level.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

Getting back to the shooting if I am not missing anything it says that one guy with a revolver ambushed and shot all those officers. Is that correct? That was from the initial reports.

Thats what I got from it. Speed and surprise combined with violence and determination can make one very dangerous. Thats very good shooting with a DA revolver, thank god he didnt have a reputable semi-auto.

[austinN4]

A no knock in plain clothes, officers fired first to kill the dog, no heroin found, event still under investigation, 1 officer relieved of duty so far, and now this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.b0281bc74e53

[thopkins22]

A no knock in plain clothes, officers fired first to kill the dog, no heroin found, event still under investigation, 1 officer terminated so far, and now this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.b0281bc74e53

Yep. Beginning to sound like the affidavit had some lies in it. Maybe heroine wasn’t purchased there after all?

Houston is the fourth largest city in the nation. We haven’t had a pro-gun Chief of HPD in forever. Not one individual NFA transfer has happened here in ages, until Obama’s ATF made it easier.

[austinN4]

Yep. Beginning to sound like the affidavit had some lies in it. Maybe heroine wasn’t purchased there after all?

Houston is the fourth largest city in the nation. We haven’t had a pro-gun Chief of HPD in forever. Not one individual NFA transfer has happened here in ages, until Obama’s ATF made it easier.

We do appreciate, however, you guys taking our previous one.

[Averageman]

Interesting take on this case here
https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/01/d...ston-narcs-ke;
The trail leading to the bungled drug raid that killed a middle-aged couple at their home in Houston on Monday began with a January 8 phone call from an anonymous woman who claimed to be standing outside the house and looking through a window. The woman told police "her daughter was in the house, and there were guns and heroin," Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo said at a press conference yesterday.

Two patrol officers dispatched to the house could not find the caller, but they reported that they heard another woman who was walking down the street say "the police are at the dope house" while talking on a cellphone. The officers called the woman who made the complaint. "She stated she did not want to give any information because they were drug dealers and they would kill her," Acevedo said. "She wanted the officers to go into the house and get her daughter."

The officers explained that they had no authority to do that, but they shared the information with the Houston Police Department's Narcotics Division, which began an investigation on January 11. The investigation included a "controlled buy" by a confidential informant who reported seeing a 9mm semi-automatic pistol and "a large quantity of plastic baggies" containing black-tar heroin at the house on Sunday.

Police found neither of those things when they searched the house the next day after breaking down the door and setting off a shootout in which Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas were killed and five officers were injured. Acevedo said there was no heroin, just "small amounts" of cocaine and marijuana. And contrary to the anonymous complainant's description of Tuttle and Nicholas as scary, bloodthirsty drug dealers, neither had any criminal record to speak of, and both were described by neighbors as "wonderful people" who "never bothered anybody.
Despite his repeated promises of "transparency" and "accountability," Acevedo was also hazy on the crucial point of whether Tuttle knew that the armed men breaking into his house, whose first action after entering was to kill his dog with a shotgun, were police officers. Narcotics officers executing search warrants "don't show up in uniform," Acevedo said, "but they do show up with plenty of gear that identifies them as police officers, including patrol officers that are out in front of the house."

Body camera video of the raid might have helped clarify this issue, but there is none. "Body-worn cameras are still a pretty new technology," Acevedo said. "Over the last two or three years, we've been deploying them. Our priority was to get body-worn cameras into the hands of the people that are most prone and most likely to be involved in a use-of-force or a response-to-resistance incident or a complaint....The majority of the incidents involve patrol, so that's been our priority."

Body camera video of the raid might have helped clarify this issue, but there is none. "Body-worn cameras are still a pretty new technology," Acevedo said. "Over the last two or three years, we've been deploying them. Our priority was to get body-worn cameras into the hands of the people that are most prone and most likely to be involved in a use-of-force or a response-to-resistance incident or a complaint....The majority of the incidents involve patrol, so that's been our priority."

I dunno a thing about Police work, but I do know one thing, apparently these folks took a tip from an anonymous caller and then used a confidential informant to verify what was going on in that apartment and apparently neither of those sources got it right.
I also think the issue of conducting "No Knock Raids" without body cameras, at least in Texas where everyone is packing is stupid and negligent.