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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsp10477 View Post
    All it will take is a change from the petro dollar to the petro yuan. Isn’t China heavily invested in Venezuela?
    Venezuela may have the world's largest proven oil reserves, but that number really means nothing. It's not a very big country and there isn't much likelihood they'll have any new discoveries. In the U.S. they had a new find in the Permian Basin that has the potential to double the U.S.'s reserves. They still haven't drilled and tested 90% of Alaska yet. We haven't legalized offshore drilling in a large portion of the U.S. and there is likely to be piles of oil still out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    This.

    China might try one last hurrah but it is as over reliant on export and they can’t play cheap labor forever. Plus I figure another Tiannemen will happen.

    If North Korea falls it will be essentially 1991 all over again.

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    Speaking of cheap labor... as china's middle class grows, they've shifted some manufacturing jobs that don't appeal to said middle class over to African countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnamin View Post
    Speaking of cheap labor... as china's middle class grows, they've shifted some manufacturing jobs that don't appeal to said middle class over to African countries.

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    Senator Feinstein has had a CHICOM handler for twenty years. How many more DNC elected officials have one? China owns/operates/leases major port terminals in the US, Canada, and Mexico. SEZ's (special economic zones) are a thing now.

    They have a lot of 21st century Trojan horses already in place not to mention the backdoor access they have with hardware/software manufactured in China.

    People are stuck on WWII, if US / China relations go critical mass their not going to float over here on LCVP's lol.



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    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...hreat-america/

    “China for 30 years has been assiduously gathering economic power in all regions of the planet, using this economic power to gather political networks, and is…today convincing those political networks to begin military cooperation to proto-alliance cooperation with China,” he said.

    For example, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization started in 1996 as an economic cooperation body, but “all it produces are military exercises,” Fisher said.

    He said in July, China announced the China Africa Defense and Security Forum, which includes every country on the African continent but is “controlled by the People’s Liberation Army.”

    “So this is the beginning of a second proto-alliance, and they make no bones publicly [that they are] working to form a similar forum in all the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean,” he said.

    Experts on the panel said China is the largest source of support outside the region for the Cuban communist regime, the Venezuelan dictatorship, and other left-wing regimes.

    Retired Navy Captain Jim Fanell, a former intelligence officer and current fellow at the Geneva Center for Security, said more and more Chinese navy vessels have been going to the Caribbean.

    “I expect at some point in the near future, you’re going to start seeing Chinese intelligence collection vessels operating in the Caribbean and more closely to each of our coasts, because they’ve been very frustrated that we’ve been operating inside the first island chain in the Western Pacific,” he said.

    Fisher said on top of these “proto-alliances,” China is working on a power-projection military, with a navy that will have anywhere from 10 to 15 aircraft carriers by 2050, hundreds of large transport aircraft, and medium and lightweight army forces that can be deployed around the world.

    “And this is the challenge that your children and your grandchildren are facing, and the reason why some of the things President Trump has done … are so very important, and why they must be continued,” he said.

    Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the Center for Security Policy, said he has also seen increasingly aggressive rhetoric from senior Chinese military officers.

    “Increasingly there have been now remarks by senior Chinese Peoples Liberation Army officers calling for military action against the United States,” he said.

    Gaffney said he would not put a “high probability” on making it through the next decade without a war on China. “It’s a function not of us starting it, but of us preventing the Chinese thinking they can benefit from doing so.”
    But experts on the panel also said Chinese predominance is not a foregone conclusion, if the U.S. acts.

    Fanell argued that the U.S. needs to grow its naval presence in East Asia in order to keep international shipping lanes open, and praised the Trump administration for increasing naval operations in the region.

    “We have seen in the last two years under this administration a great increase in not just these freedom of navigation operations that you hear about frequently, but also in carrier operations…between the United States and the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force, or the Royal Navy.

    “And so we’re starting to remind China that we have been in these waters and we’re there not to control them, but we’re there to make sure that people have free access to markets and freedom to buy, sell, and trade, and that’s the assurance and the deterrent credibility we have with presence,” he said.

    Fisher argued that the U.S. should take full advantage of the end of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) agreement to start building up an arsenal of medium- and intermediate-range ballistic and cruise missiles in the region, build the space force, and make clear the U.S. will share new technologies with allies who are also threatened by China.

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    Somewhere a Chinese strategist is considering all of this: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/c...ooming-crisis/

    Childless conservatives bitching about the changing ethnic face of America's population need to read this article.
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    How would a Chicom peasant revolt be bad? If its going to happen. get it on.

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    China was a world super power from 1700 BC to about 1100 BC then again about 1000 BC to about 750 BC but even to about 250 BC had insane powers strongholds whatever you want to say
    as we jump up to today they maintained on and off till about 1800s when the started loosing out again ? so they have not been on top for a few hundred years ? they have been there done this many times so they know time and sheer population etc.. is on their side and the willing to sacrifice and so on also they play the game very well
    we know from the last 100 years they are willing to sacrifice millions of their own to try to gain back and say well that did not work back to the climb and forgive and move on

    heck they turned there wall into a tourist attraction !!!! we cant even build a big fence ? theirs can be seen from space !!! and how long ago was that

    so lets see close to 4000 years of history they have been a world super power for long chunks and sometimes slipped to not the top for up to 500 years at a time

    we have been a world super power since WWII before that we were lower on the world power super list so 70-80 years vs 4000 years we have a LOT to learn


    SO China as many know are in it for the long run and realize 100s of years changes things as they have been there done that many times and realize this is a LONG game and can wait it out and sacrifices are part of the game

    its a whole new game of course with the way travel is etc.. but again they have way more experience then we do BUT we do know and listen to history learn from it and so on so the game has changed BUT if the left gets what they want we wont be top for long

    so at this point in time China can wait it out but no doubt will do what it can how it can all along the way lying cheating stealing killing doing whatever it needs to
    heck look at the muslim labor camps they run ! funny to turn it on them but they would do it to any anti China group or religion or ethnic etc.. so you have to take that as they do what they do and people think poor china but there is insane wealth that is hidden in that country and with that population the wealthy can kill off the equivalent whole population of our country and still be OK population wise

    its not a matter of if its a matter of when but IMHO the testing or war or whatever you want to call it it will happen at some point again 4000 years of history proves that

    edit to say our one huge problem is sharing our knowledge that is then given or sold to China anway and heck now we just give it to them and say HERE YA GO like idiots
    we need to stop sharing our military tech and hold it close and build up helping no others at all but give them old stuff we know is outdated and also we build in kill switches in a sense to everything we do give out as old
    IMHO anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by duece71 View Post
    How would a Chicom peasant revolt be bad? If its going to happen. get it on.
    Tens of millions dead, the production of almost every facet of modern life going offline, and civil war in a nuclear armed country, a refugee crisis that would make Syria look like walk in the park.. never mind the Junta that runs China starting an external war to blunt an internal war pressure.

    But other than that, all good stuff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    Our technology and force projection capabilities still are way ahead of China's
    Except that we would be having to move forces half way around the world while China would be fighting in their own home waters where they have lots of shorter ranged fast patrol craft equipped with some surprisingly modern anti-ship missiles. They might not be good for power projection but they would be hell in home waters. They have DF-21 antiship ballistic missiles and YJ-12 and YJ-18 land, sea and air launched anti-ship missiles. The YJ-12 and YJ-18 are actually more advanced and longer ranged than our decades-old Harpoon antiship missiles.

    China has been hard at work on anti-access weapons, strategies, and tactics which would make it impossible for use to fight them in their home waters without suffering heavy losses.

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