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What about the last set of blood tests you had drawn at your doctor’s office? What kind of deal do the Feds have with all the hospital labs in the country? The Feds have their hooks DEEPLY into virtually every health care facility in the country. How do you know they aren’t sending a few extra drops of your blood on to the FBI or some less incompetent but even more sinister black agency in charge of the government’s genetic database?
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Last edited by Hmac; 02-01-19 at 22:21.
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Yeah, I imagine with the correct warrant, doctor / patient confidentiality goes out the window.Originally Posted by Hmac
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Swabs for testing various things ?
Blood drawn on American Indians to prove % ?
Every baby in recent times have blood drawn !
Sadly most of youth today are databased and their whole life is online etc.... so a very complete profile of them
pediatricians ask about guns in the home and other things
Last edited by Honu; 02-02-19 at 04:44.
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DNA tests are HUGE chumpbait.
Usually folks insecure whether or not their grandfolks got it on with a black or white person somewhere.
Like seriously....
And really...does it matter?
If you take the bait, what does it say about you
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I did this years ago before this whole thing was a thing! Back around 2002 or so?!? It was a national geographic thing. Anyway, it doesn't matter but I'm that curious. I find it fascinating. I'd love to know where my great great grandparents were from! I can only go back to my parents grandparents. I know my dad's uncle (father's brother) came to the US in the early 20s and as far as I know he was the only one in my dad's family until we came here in 88. I know he dies in the mid 90s. I tried finding him through ancestry but don't know how his original name was spelled. He shortened it to "Max". There is also another member I'd love to find info on but that's for another time and most likely impossible. I know my last name stems from 14th century Germany but everyone of my family was born in Eastern Europe. I'd love to know who and when it changed.
It will not change a thing except feed my morbid curiosity.
Having said that.... this national geographic thing was almost 20 years ago. Today I wouldn't do it. Different times
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Well, that’s true, of course. Testifying against a patient and breaching confidentiality can be easily and legally compelled. But if the Feds want a little of your blood to run your DNA sequence, doctors aren’t involved. They could just tell the hospital or other certified lab that their Medicare participation is on the line and they want a couple of drops to sequence each patient’s DNA. It doesn’thave anything to do with doctors except that they’re the ones that order the battery of blood tests in the first place. About 85% of the blood they draw for any given battery of test is discarded. A couple of drops on a slide, or a simple swab and a batch mailer is all they’d need and no one would be the wiser. In these various threads, we’ve posited a vast variety of extra-legal breaches of the 4th amendment, some far more egregious than this one.
I don’t know that labs are doing that, but like most doctors, I would have no way of knowing. The hematology lab is a land of mystery to me. In our hospital, I know where it is but I’ve set foot in there maybe once in 30 years. I order the blood count, for example. The phlebotomist draws the blood and the only other thing I know about the whole process is when the results show up in the computer a few minutes later. Those results are all I care about...not what happens to the blood afterward they’re done running the tests. I do know that they hang on to the vials for some period of time in case additional tests are needed, but I don’t know for how long. That’s not in my lane.
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Problem is that if a member of your family takes this test, they can cross reference nearest family members and you can wind up a suspect based on your brother’s actions due to your father or uncle taking one of these tests. Additionally every member of the military has a blood draw for DNA that is kept in a database. In the end, we are rapidly approaching the era where everything about you is catalogued down to the genetic level, and your deepest thoughts kept in a database based on your Google searches. Not to mention the listening device in our pocket that we are nearly never separated from. Welcome to 1984.
Last edited by BH321; 02-02-19 at 13:42.
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My FIL is a big genealogy nut, he is a nice man, but that is all he knows, genealogy and B-52's (pretty much all he worked on at Boeing), that is it. Consequently convo's with him are limited.
I tried to listen and be polite for the first 5 to 10 years, finally I had to tell him pointblank not interested in how far back his family goes in Germany, not one iota. So now I just grin and bear listening to the same B-52 stories.
I think SOME of the genealogy buffs are somewhat self-absorbed, and given to humble bragging about their lineage, others are genuinely curious.
I, myself, don't care, although I still semi-take care of my Grandfather's family grave sites in two local cemeteries, that is out of respect for a man I knew and cared about.
Back to the DNA thing.........
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In our family, both sides, it seems that as my uncles (now all dead), and now my cousins retire and get old, genealogy becomes one of their big hobbies, even entailing trips to Scotland to pour through ancestral records and tour ancestral castles. One uncle spent days going through records at the current clan center in Scotland. They've generated a detailed family tree all the way back to 1620. It's interesting, but I've been sort of relieved to note that none of them have succumbed to DNA testing as part their research, as all of them seem to be as suspicious of the concept as the average poster in this thread. Even my last surviving aunt, now 96, thinks the concept is stupid despite her own interest in genealogy, and she advised me to skip DNA testing last time I saw her last spring.
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the DNA push now is about your health and making sure you know what you are going to/could get as far as diseasesat least that is THEIR pitch on why to get it for your health
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