Supreme Court is 5 liberals, 4 conservatives

[Buncheong]

I try to steer clear of abortion-related subjects. People become too emotional.

But I will say this:

Rape pregnancy, incest pregnancy, deformity to brain/spinal cord I do not object to abortion.

But the 9-month and then abort? NO. That is not an abortion, and should not be permitted under the law.

I am done with this subject, and will not reply to agitators.

Peace/out.

[TomMcC]

It's sad indeed that the sins of the parents are taken out on the little ones. Aborting a "rape" or an "incest" or "deformed" baby is still murdering an independent human being made in the image of God. The propensity for people to play God never seems to subside...its one of our greatest sins. Our hearts are hard,very hard.

[SteyrAUG]

It's sad indeed that the sins of the parents are taken out on the little ones. Aborting a "rape" or an "incest" or "deformed" baby is still murdering an independent human being made in the image of God. The propensity for people to play God never seems to subside...its one of our greatest sins. Our hearts are hard,very hard.

And that view is always why abortion will be legal. We advocate that women get guns to defend themselves from attackers, but if they fail you want to condemn them to carry their attackers child? Do you know how completely life altering that would be?

It sickens me that irresponsible people use abortion as birth control, especially late term. But NOBODY should be forced to endure a pregnancy they did not participate in and rape isn't consent. If you want to save those babies, make sure they never happen and go kill a rapist.

And if your god really felt strongly about this, maybe instead of participating in the daily miracles of his followers, he could make sure rapists can't find victims. I'd rather see that than a little divine intervention to help Timmy make the baseball team.

It's an odd plan where your god permits millions of babies to starve to death every day in famine plagued areas, to allow abusive parents to beat them to death, to allow all manner of illness, including cancer to strike them when they are completely defenseless and it's simply "your gods will", but when a predatory piece of human shit rapes a woman, it's completely immoral for her to get rid of the baby or prevent the fertilized egg from becoming a viable embryo?

And what if I shot the rapist and prevented the rape? Is that me "playing god"? When the state executes a death row inmate, is that the state "playing god"? If we define property and engage in property ownership, isn't that "playing god."

But please do me a favor, continue to advocate complete opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest or serious deformity. State plainly that a 13 year old girl who was raped by her own father should have to carry that baby to term. It is probably the single greatest insurance that in those sad events, the victim isn't victimized a second time.

[Caduceus]

This will come as a shock to some of you, but what God wants or approves doesn't come in to play in court.

Literally every pro-life person starts off with "God...."

Separation of church and stste ring a bell to anyone??

[OldState]

This will come as a shock to some of you, but what God wants or approves doesn't come in to play in court.

Literally every pro-life person starts off with "God...."

Separation of church and stste ring a bell to anyone??

I think most argue abortion from a moral standpoint.

As for the “separation of church and state” ...this is one of the most misunderstood concepts in American Constitutional discussions. I’d bet, if polled, 80%+ of people would think that is in the text of the constitution. It’s not. It’s from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote. At the time of ratification there were still states with official religions and religion was mentioned very frequently in political discourse of the day.

The second amendment was deamed necessary to protect the individual from government interference in their “god” given right of self preservation.

https://billofrightsinstitute.org/fo...nburybaptists/

[Adrenaline_6]

And that view is always why abortion will be legal. We advocate that women get guns to defend themselves from attackers, but if they fail you want to condemn them to carry their attackers child? Do you know how completely life altering that would be?

It sickens me that irresponsible people use abortion as birth control, especially late term. But NOBODY should be forced to endure a pregnancy they did not participate in and rape isn't consent. If you want to save those babies, make sure they never happen and go kill a rapist.

And if your god really felt strongly about this, maybe instead of participating in the daily miracles of his followers, he could make sure rapists can't find victims. I'd rather see that than a little divine intervention to help Timmy make the baseball team.

It's an odd plan where your god permits millions of babies to starve to death every day in famine plagued areas, to allow abusive parents to beat them to death, to allow all manner of illness, including cancer to strike them when they are completely defenseless and it's simply "your gods will", but when a predatory piece of human shit rapes a woman, it's completely immoral for her to get rid of the baby or prevent the fertilized egg from becoming a viable embryo?

And what if I shot the rapist and prevented the rape? Is that me "playing god"? When the state executes a death row inmate, is that the state "playing god"? If we define property and engage in property ownership, isn't that "playing god."

But please do me a favor, continue to advocate complete opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest or serious deformity. State plainly that a 13 year old girl who was raped by her own father should have to carry that baby to term. It is probably the single greatest insurance that in those sad events, the victim isn't victimized a second time.

I get your frustration with the world and its cruelties, but that is not God's fault, it is ours. We had it perfect, we messed it up. After that...chaos. We are just reaping what was sowed. Leave God out of it. What you are seeking or asking for to happen is after this life. Until then, we all pay for it with sufferages. Without them though, there would be no "growth" or learning.

[Firefly]

I dunno.

I have worked with special needs kids and am glad they exist. It isn’t easy for the parents and their lives will always be different.

Per rape, if I were a girl.... I don’t know how I would react. If I weren’t able to shoot him before getting overpowered and he had his way it would be unforgivable but at the same time the child isn’t responsible and would be part of me. I don’t know because I cannot get pregnant.

We can prevent rape by protecting our women and keeping them armed. In fact, I watched Extremities just last night.

I can say all these “ifs” but I will never be in that position. I am however at an age where I don’t care if it is accidental or not, the kid will live. And be welcomed.

But that’s just me.

[TomMcC]

[QUOTE=SteyrAUG;2705329]And that view is always why abortion will be legal. We advocate that women get guns to defend themselves from attackers, but if they fail you want to condemn them to carry their attackers child? Do you know how completely life altering that would be?

I'll go ahead and answer you even though I consider it a general waste of time. Your heart is one of the hardest on the board. Maybe more threads about the joys of 80's porn would make you happier. There may be others that are interested though. Whether abortion is legal in the future or not is not for me to know, I merely advocate for what is right according to my presuppositions. As hard as it is for you to understand, murdering a rape or incest baby, and that is what your advocating...MURDER...doesn't make it better for the woman, it just leaves a dead baby. I look at the situation as an extremely trying time for the woman to rise above her own self interest to the interest of a tiny defenseless person, an opportunity is given to her to show compassion, grace and mercy, to rise above the easy way out, not to do evil that good should come. The state's interest is to not sanction murder even in the most horrible of times.

It sickens me that irresponsible people use abortion as birth control, especially late term. But NOBODY should be forced to endure a pregnancy they did not participate in and rape isn't consent. If you want to save those babies, make sure they never happen and go kill a rapist.

On what basis why would it up set you? Your own subjective preferences? As long as they don't encroach on your life why would you care? You've already de-humanized rape, incest, and deformed babies as being OK to murder. Why not be consistent and allow others to de-humanize any and all unborn babies, making them fit for death, simply because the prefer that way. Again, the call I make is that the ENDS don't justify the MEANS. As terrible as rape or incest is it doesn't EVER justify MURDER.

And if your god really felt strongly about this, maybe instead of participating in the daily miracles of his followers, he could make sure rapists can't find victims. I'd rather see that than a little divine intervention to help Timmy make the baseball team.

Putting aside that Christians are to bring all our needs to God, even though they seem mundane and worthless to you, you assume that God should be busy running the world the way you wish it should be run. The pride of men shows almost no bounds. God has a purpose for evil in all it's manifestations, but your basic instinct is accuse Him and shake your fist at Him. Do it my way or screw you God. If there really was a God and He actually restrains evil so that it isn't as bad as it could be (because things could be FAR, FAR worse...RIGHT?)as Christian theology teaches, then the fact that there aren't millions of rapists but relatively few is indicative to me that there is a God and He is in fact restraining the evil of men. What you want is for God to do away with unrighteousness NOW, well God doesn't work according to your time table...He's still teaching His people about good, evil, grace, mercy, wrath, and judgement. But it is one of the great hopes of the elect that God will soon end it all.

It's an odd plan where your god permits millions of babies to starve to death every day in famine plagued areas, to allow abusive parents to beat them to death, to allow all manner of illness, including cancer to strike them when they are completely defenseless and it's simply "your gods will", but when a predatory piece of human shit rapes a woman, it's completely immoral for her to get rid of the baby or prevent the fertilized egg from becoming a viable embryo?

Simply put, we ALL deserve it, no one deserves anything good. God will have mercy on whom He will, but to say that God owes us something good is just the fruit of not taking stock of how really traitorous and wicked we really are. On top of that you lust after His power to have your own way with others...you lust after the ability to murder another (again you de-humanize) and sooth your conscience and tell yourself what a moral person I am...I want to help the raped, help them off the baby, it's just cell, it's really not a human being, it's for the best. You and others rationalize your wickedness to sooth that conscience until that conscience dies and is hard as granite.

And what if I shot the rapist and prevented the rape? Is that me "playing god"? When the state executes a death row inmate, is that the state "playing god"? If we define property and engage in property ownership, isn't that "playing god."

You can't be this dense? Life is a gift and God has made provision in His law that there is a huge distinction between JUST and UNJUST taking of life. In fact, according to God's law, rape is a death penalty crime, but we ignored that. It's playing God when we IGNORE His law and institute our own laws, as if we possess some innate wisdom in our almightyness.

But please do me a favor, continue to advocate complete opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest or serious deformity. State plainly that a 13 year old girl who was raped by her own father should have to carry that baby to term. It is probably the single greatest insurance that in those sad events, the victim isn't victimized a second time.[/Q

And why would it be a favor to you? Is it not so you can point and say look at horrible Tom, what a POS he is? I have stated plainly what I believe ought to be the case. And It is my great hope that humanity will one day say that though a bad thing has happen to me that I will endeavor to not solve the problem with murder, but with love, mercy and grace. A woman doesn't have to look at a rape or incest baby as a second victimhood, but as a God ordained opportunity to show love to a tiny defenseless baby in the hardest of circumstances

[TomMcC]

This will come as a shock to some of you, but what God wants or approves doesn't come in to play in court.

Literally every pro-life person starts off with "God...."

Separation of church and stste ring a bell to anyone??

And you act as if man is God. What goes on in court is ALL about what is right and what is wrong, and those subjects are about what is moral, and morality or ethics is religion by other means. We just have different gods. When the "court" signed off on all the infringements on the 2nd, did you bow to your god, the court, or did you gnash your teeth, murmur that you would not submit.

And what is wrong with appealing to God, what should I appeal to, your made up, personal preferences?

[Firefly]

I know why Jesus wept, Tom.

But you wouldn't like the answer