Is the 4x ACOG dead?

[Eurodriver]

Disclaimer: I am a huge TA31 ACOG fan. I've bought no fewer than 3 of them. See here and here.

I don't really like it anymore, for reasons posted in one of the links above years ago...

...the eye relief is garbage. You have to be perfectly in the eye box for proper eye relief, and this requires adjusting the stock all the time. Standing? Needs to be shorter. At the bench? Needs to be longer. Prone? Shorter. Armor? Shorter. Kneeling? Longer. Total garbage and if Trijicon could fix the TA31 series by giving it more generous eye relief they would still have a real winner...sort of.

You still suffer from wash out if in a dark area and sighting into a bright area. Take an ACOG outside with you at night and aim it inside a house with blinds open (preferably your own, and not attached to a rifle). You'll notice the reticle is now completely black and difficult to pick up.

Weight? Come on bro, the TA31RCOM4 is what? 1lb? On a fixed 4x optic? That's ridiculous. The only thing more ridiculous than the weight is the cost. $1500 can buy you three used Aimpoint T1s...

I've got a new AR that needs an optic and I think it's just too slow within 50 yards to be practical on a rifle outside of the Kajakai Dam. The ACOG is older than I am. On the flipside, I like its simplicity and ruggedness and there's yet to be a serious challenger in a fixed 4x optic. The fixed 4x is annoying up close, but an Aimpoint is annoying beyond 300 yards. What's a guy to do?

Just thinking out loud, I guess...

[bjw182005]

Unfortunately, it is still alive and well. I think with the more modern LPVO offerings they are all but obsolete, but the military still loves to issue them, and they just were selected as the new optic for the M4A1 for USAF Security Forces.

I have become a huge fan of 1-6 and 1-8x optics with either offset irons or offset RDS. It gives the best of both worlds for fast, CQB style shooting as well as the magnification to ID and engage targets at moderate distances to about 600 yards on a 5.56 platform. Most of my newer ARs all wear LPVOs of soe variety, and while I do still have and heavily use the Aimpoint RDS, I have become just as fast and accurate with the LPVO, so it has no downsides for me.

[ryanm]

The 3.5x is far more forgiving.

[Pappabear]

The 3.5x is far more forgiving.

. I have one 4X and two 3.5X and very much prefer the 3.5X for eye relief reasons alone. I too think the LPVO are putting a beatdown to the ACOG line. I have a Burris 1-8 with RDS on the cant which is pretty nice. I really like the NXS 1-8 and is more than an ACOG but not by a huge margin. I even bought some cheap holiday sale 1-6 from primary arms that dont suck for plinking.

I really liked my 4X ACOG with RDS on top even though many feel is way too much offset, but makes hitting center shots inside 50 yards a breeze. I regret pulling it and selling it.

PB

[markm]

I've never been inconvenienced by any eye relief issues on any COG I've ever shot. ACOG has no place inside a house, so any of those complaints make no sense to me. Durability is critical to me. I've knocked my aimpoint out of zero before, and LGBTQPVOS are too fragile for serious use.... with the possible exception of this little nightforce that Pappabear is running.

[MegademiC]

Acogs are half the weight of almost all lpvo if thats a consideration.

[arptsprt]

Until LPVO, (er, LGBTQPVOS lol markm) prove to be as durable as an ACOG, ACOGs will remains in the fight. I don’t much care for the eye relief on my TA31 but it will continue to be an option for me to consider along with my other RDS and LPVO.

I do like my two Vortex LPVO (Razor and PST GEN2 1x6). Learning to shoot them great but I’m not loving the weight.

Always a trade off.

I've never been inconvenienced by any eye relief issues on any COG I've ever shot. ACOG has no place inside a house, so any of those complaints make no sense to me. Durability is critical to me. I've knocked my aimpoint out of zero before, and LGBTQPVOS are too fragile for serious use.... with the possible exception of this little nightforce that Pappabear is running.

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[SeriousStudent]

and LGBTQPVOS are too fragile for serious use.... with the possible exception of this little nightforce that Pappabear is running.

Hey, what your optics do in the privacy of your gun safe is your business.......

[caporider]

. I have one 4X and two 3.5X and very much prefer the 3.5X for eye relief reasons alone. I too think the LPVO are putting a beatdown to the ACOG line. I have a Burris 1-8 with RDS on the cant which is pretty nice. I really like the NXS 1-8 and is more than an ACOG but not by a huge margin. I even bought some cheap holiday sale 1-6 from primary arms that dont suck for plinking.

I really liked my 4X ACOG with RDS on top even though many feel is way too much offset, but makes hitting center shots inside 50 yards a breeze. I regret pulling it and selling it.

PB

Note that you can get the same FOV as the 3.5x ACOG by moving your eye back from a 4x ACOG...

The 4x ACOGs trade eye relief for a wide FOV.

I really like using a 4x ACOG with an offset RDS. Very fast transitions, not too heavy. The only thing I wouldn't do is put a 4x ACOG on an AR308 or any other firearm with enough recoil to put an ACOG onto your eyepro...

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[LMT/556]

Cav Scouts at Benning get trained with CompM4s, units get issued ACOGs chevron style whatever that model is. My kid won't care, and might get my NX8 if he wants it, we'll see...