At what point do we start calling this treason?

[kwelz]

The alternative is to allow Pelosi and Schumer to call all the shots. There is no third option. I don't think you're a traitor, but I think they are and you're being foolish by not supporting the resistance. You don't like Trump. We all get it. Most of us don't actually like Trump either. But you have ZERO evidence to support your feelings. And I'm specifically using the word feelings because that's all you've got here.

Trump isn't as supportive of the 2nd Amendment and Due Process as he thinks he is. He needs to step up his game. But he is not unfit for office, not by today's standards. We can all wish for days gone by, but they're not coming back. Ever. You should learn to accept that and move on. It's only harming yourself if you don't.

I don’t care about feelings. But Trumonis a proven Liar and swindler. That is what I care about. You may be willing to give up rights in the name of the cult of trump. I am not.

[Straight Shooter]

I can't tell if you are trying to funny or just don't get democracy? You sound like the most delusional millennial. He won the election and the past 2 years has pretty much proven that he is more than up to the task. Far more than Obama was- far more than 99% of the dems currently lining up for their 30 seconds of fame before TRrump dispatches them.

I don't think you understand what is/was going on here. The DOJ- the people that have charged everyone that stood up against them and supported Trump with process crimes or old charges- come to you and ask if you'll support them in their attempt to get rid of Trump. Are you going to say 'No'- and find out they have opened up an investigation into your last job? Or your wife and kids? Hell, just go through the answers to your security clearance paperwork for the cabinet job.

Frankly, hold a trial or don't- but put McCabe against the wall the cap his ass. These people think that they can act with impunity

Just imagine if the Joint Chiefs had similar conversations when Obama was sending billions to Iran....

Did they go around Jeff Sessions to do this?

You know that they are bringing this out now, as far away from the election so Trump can't use it to rile people up- and to also try to justify the Mueller crap- which is going to turn up nothing.

He has been a shit starter here for awhile. I pay him as much mind as I do any other libtard...none.

[OH58D]

"I don’t care about feelings. But Trumon [sic] is a proven Liar and swindler. That is what I care about. You may be willing to give up rights in the name of the cult of trump. I am not."

Kewlz, you put too much faith in politicians. They're just the hired help. Term limits kept the last caretaker of the White House from hanging around, and we voted in a new one. So far he hasn't done any worse than the previous Bushes, Bubba or Barry the Kenyon.

Do you expect a lot from the person at the counter in a fast food joint? I don't engage them to discuss Ayn Rand or Constitutional Law. That person in the paper hat is there to take my order and make sure they don't screw it up. I exist and thrive because of my own actions, not the caretaker hired help in the White House. So far, President and Caretaker Donald John Trump has followed his voting bosses quite well. Not perfect but he is a novice at being the hired help and caretaker. If he gets out of control, we'll let him know. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy my life and focus on preparing for what evils the other political caretakers in the House and Senate have in store. They may be plotting against their bosses and we'll have to take action.

[kwelz]

He has been a shit starter here for awhile. I pay him as much mind as I do any other libtard...none.

Nice try. But someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a liberal or a libtard. Sorry I don't live in your echo chamber but that isn't reality. Last time I checked this is a Forum about gun ownership by people who love this country. That doesn't mean loving El Cheeto who is not gun friendly and sure as hell doesn't love this country.

Trump would sell every one of us out in a heartbeat if it benefits him. I am just waiting for them to offer funding for the wall in exchange for gun control. He would jump on it faster than he jumps into bed with women that aren't his wife.

He doesn't care about the 2nd. He doesn't care about Due process. He doesn't care about the law period. But when some of us point that out suddenly we are called liberals and traitors.

Living in an echo camber doesn't help anyone. But that seems to be what you want.

"I don’t care about feelings. But Trumon [sic] is a proven Liar and swindler. That is what I care about. You may be willing to give up rights in the name of the cult of trump. I am not."

Kewlz, you put too much faith in politicians. They're just the hired help. Term limits kept the last caretaker of the White House from hanging around, and we voted in a new one. So far he hasn't done any worse than the previous Bushes, Bubba or Barry the Kenyon.

Do you expect a lot from the person at the counter in a fast food joint? I don't engage them to discuss Ayn Rand or Constitutional Law. That person in the paper hat is there to take my order and make sure they don't screw it up. I exist and thrive because of my own actions, not the caretaker hired help in the White House. So far, President and Caretaker Donald John Trump has followed his voting bosses quite well. Not perfect but he is a novice at being the hired help and caretaker. If he gets out of control, we'll let him know. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy my life and focus on preparing for what evils the other political caretakers in the House and Senate have in store. They may be plotting against their bosses and we'll have to take action.

I don't remember his voting base voting for him to violate the law and ban firearms accessories. Yet that is what he is doing.

But I think you hit the nail on the head with one part of that. He is an amateur. And amateurs have no place as President.

Also sorry for the spelling. Was on my phone while also working on other things.

[Firefly]

So....

Obama was /Our_Guy/ all along?

[OH58D]

I don't remember his voting base voting for him to violate the law and ban firearms accessories. Yet that is what he is doing.

But I think you hit the nail on the head with one part of that. He is an amateur. And amateurs have no place as President.

Also sorry for the spelling. Was on my phone while also working on other things.

Amateurs at what? You have the professional political class, then you have the average dude on the street. The professional political class has proven to be snakes, and can't be trusted. Trump is an amateur, he isn't a polished speaker of high toned oratory. He talks like a longshoreman or a warehouse foreman, or a billion dollar scrapper from the streets of New York who knows how to make a buck. I'd take an amateur who talks like the common dude on the street than an entrenched professional politician.

Trump's a big city real estate thug. He doesn't totally understand what you and I see out here in the heart of America, nor does he understand the minutiae of the gun owners and their bump stocks, or whether a 30 round mag or a 10 round mag is important. That's not his gig - he's a big picture kind of guy. But he does connect with the average Conservative citizen because he is willing to meet with them, interact with them - and not insult them.

[Bulletdog]

Nice try. But someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a liberal or a libtard. Sorry I don't live in your echo chamber but that isn't reality. Last time I checked this is a Forum about gun ownership by people who love this country. That doesn't mean loving El Cheeto who is not gun friendly and sure as hell doesn't love this country.

Trump would sell every one of us out in a heartbeat if it benefits him. I am just waiting for them to offer funding for the wall in exchange for gun control. He would jump on it faster than he jumps into bed with women that aren't his wife.

He doesn't care about the 2nd. He doesn't care about Due process. He doesn't care about the law period. But when some of us point that out suddenly we are called liberals and traitors.

Living in an echo camber doesn't help anyone. But that seems to be what you want.






I don't remember his voting base voting for him to violate the law and ban firearms accessories. Yet that is what he is doing.

But I think you hit the nail on the head with one part of that. He is an amateur. And amateurs have no place as President.

Also sorry for the spelling. Was on my phone while also working on other things.

Man you are so right. We should have all voted for HRC instead...


Nobody is perfect man. Nobody. I don't recall anyone here expressing their view that Trump is the second coming of Christ. The point is, and was, that he is the ONLY politician saying the right stuff. I didn't hear any other RINO standing up there saying build the wall, get the illegals out, stop the terrorists from coming in, fix the economy, bring back American jobs to America, put America and America's interests FIRST, reduce the deficit, drain the swamp, support our REAL allies, and MAGA. I'm not a Trump fan boy. I'm not on a bandwagon. I don't live in an echo chamber. He was the least ugly girl at the dance and I wanted to boogie. If you want to stand there and wait for a young Farrah Fawcett to show up at your dance, you will be waiting a long time. I'll take the ugly girl with the rockin' body and the can-do attitude and get down to business.

To this day Trump is doing better than anyone else would have, or could have, done under the constant barrage of lies and attacks that are leveled at him daily. There is no human being on this earth that is going to do every single thing the way I want it done. Trump, with all his flaws, ain't so bad when you compare him to the alternatives. But I doubt anyone will ever convince you of that.

[Doc Safari]

Remember that other candidate who ran against Trump in 2016? What was her name? Hillary something I think.

If she had won we would be talking about stocking up on magazines and weapons right now while she prepares executive orders and legislation to screw us out of our Second Amendment rights. We would probably be staring down the barrel at World War 3 with Russia, if not already nursing losses on a Ukrainian battlefield or somewhere else. We would have only the Senate to stop anti-gun legislation, and those RINO wussies would probably go along to get along with 90% of her bullcrap with regard to guns. The economy would already be tanking instead of maybe avoiding another recession.

In short--whether you hate Trump or love him never forget how good you've got it right now and how horrible the alternative would have been.

[kwelz]

Remember that other candidate who ran against Trump in 2016? What was her name? Hillary something I think.

If she had won we would be talking about stocking up on magazines and weapons right now while she prepares executive orders and legislation to screw us out of our Second Amendment rights. We would probably be staring down the barrel at World War 3 with Russia, if not already nursing losses on a Ukrainian battlefield or somewhere else. We would have only the Senate to stop anti-gun legislation, and those RINO wussies would probably go along to get along with 90% of her bullcrap with regard to guns. The economy would already be tanking instead of maybe avoiding another recession.

In short--whether you hate Trump or love him never forget how good you've got it right now and how horrible the alternative would have been.

I never said Clinton would have been any better. I would have cut off my own hand before voting for her. But her being terrible and Trump winning doesn't make him the good guy. And I will say this. At least the Republicans in office would have stood up to her. For Trump they bend over and do what he wants. Being better than Hillary is hardly a benchmark for greatness though.


We are never going to agree. I have said my piece.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

No I do not support the pathetic excuse for a human currently in the White House. He cares about himself lad and not the country. He has already sold out gun owners and will do so again. Everyone here bending over for him could care less about their rights as long as they get to worship at Trumps feet. This country is not the president. Did you support Obama? By your statement that makes you a traitor.

I love this country to much to support Trunp.

No bro. If you are willing to upend the constitution because you don't like a guy you do not love this country. I don't like Trump, didn't vote for him in the primary, and really hate the way he talks. With that being said my option was him or Hillary, so not being a total retard I went with him. He may sound like a retarded child but he has done good, and bad(bump stock BS). Still would rather have him there throwing a wrench in the system than Hillary completing everything Obumer started.

If you support a coup against the president using the 25th amendment as a cover you do not love this country. You love your opinion and your ideals more and are willing to do whatever is necessary to make them happen. The ends justify the means. I know you say you are not a liberal but I have to admit, I have heard a a certain group of people currently in politics in this country that believe in the same method.

I can overlook a lot in people, and have liberal friends. Wanting to impeach or use the 25th to remove a sitting president for no other real reason other than I don't like him is hard to come to terms with. I really disliked Obama and actually believe he is a "bad" guy, but never would have called for or supported removing him. If I knew you in real life you would be dead to me. I would rather converse with someone who loved Hillary and Obama than someone willing to remove an elected president just because they didn't like him or his policies.