Pelosi, gun emergency..

[jsbhike]

Americans there = government here. No difference.

Equals government here for who? Certainly not the average firearms owner.

[Dist. Expert 26]

Equals government here for who? Certainly not the average firearms owner.

I'll break it down real simple.

In the event of a nationwide firearms confiscation move, anyone associated with the government would be viewed in the same light as Afghans who associate with NATO forces. Their participation in such an event, were it to occur, would turn them and their families into targets for any type of insurgency, which is not going to be your average gun owner. But it doesn't need to be. 1% of gun owners deciding to push back would turn this country on its head.

I have a 3 year old son and I really, REALLY, don't want to raise him in that environment. I will not, however, place myself or my child at the mercy of the government. Historically that just doesn't end well. Like, ever.

[murphy j]

The 13th century, booger eating, goat raping tribesmen don't feel any connection to, nor affinity for, outsiders such as Soviets or Americans.

There is an unfortunately uncommon trait among most people that actions they view as abhorrent when committed by a 3rd party aren't so bad(and they may even assist) when committed by someone they feel a connection to.

And there are a great many Americans who feel no connection to the history of this nation and the ideals under which it was founded. There's a tribalism that has grown in this country, one which views those who don't share their views as a 3rd party, as you describe it. I would wager that we will see, in our lifetimes, an even further 'Balkanization' than what we have seen so far. One which could very well cause a physical breakdown in government and economics. Who would be the outsiders and 3rd party then?

[jsbhike]

And there are a great many Americans who feel no connection to the history of this nation and the ideals under which it was founded. There's a tribalism that has grown in this country, one which views those who don't share their views as a 3rd party, as you describe it. I would wager that we will see, in our lifetimes, an even further 'Balkanization' than what we have seen so far. One which could very well cause a physical breakdown in government and economics. Who would be the outsiders and 3rd party then?

And that's the catch. As I have mentioned before, the ideas that founded the country didn't even last long as shown by the federalists and the sedition laws intended to keep themselves in power. That bastardization has only continued with anti 2nd amendment laws and other crap.

Now we are coming down to 2 main groups...respect for authority types, no matter what that authority does, and crap like ANTIFA, who will just work to replace one problem with another as their ideological brethren did a century ago in Russia.

[WillBrink]

And there are a great many Americans who feel no connection to the history of this nation and the ideals under which it was founded. There's a tribalism that has grown in this country, one which views those who don't share their views as a 3rd party, as you describe it. I would wager that we will see, in our lifetimes, an even further 'Balkanization' than what we have seen so far. One which could very well cause a physical breakdown in government and economics. Who would be the outsiders and 3rd party then?

It's always been there, and will always be there, being how humans work. Whether it dominates X groups behavior, depends on various factors. Some times it's to the benefit of X group, some times it aint. It's usually ultimately detrimental in modern societies, but it's ingrained in our brains that those who look, act, think, behave like me are better than those who don't, which no doubt came in handy for survival but that usually comes at the cost of the "other" not surviving.

Different groups may rise and fall, but since we threw rocks at each other on some savanna, there from day one.

[THCDDM4]

It's always been there, and will always be there, being how humans work. Whether it dominates X groups behavior, depends on various factors. Some times it's to the benefit of X group, some times it aint. It's usually ultimately detrimental in modern societies, but it's ingrained in our brains that those who look, act, think, behave like me are better than those who don't, which no doubt came in handy for survival but that usually comes at the cost of the "other" not surviving.

Different groups may rise and fall, but since we threw rocks at each other on some savanna, there from day one.

Absolutely. People tend to forget Tribalism has always been a part of human nature and will always be of part of it.

I think about things framing it with "tribes" in mind a lot, my conclusion is that the Western European tribe that is responsible for most of the positive advancements in our recent history is the only tribe in the history of this planet that has decided to commit suicide/allow the tribe to be destroyed.

Tribes are breaking out in regards to Political affiliation currently. Sure, race, Religions etc have influence, but political affiliation is what it's going to come down to. Tribe R Vs. Tribe L.

I will not live under Socialism, Communism, etc- I will not give up any of my Rights regardless of the laws people pass.

If it comes to it, I will burn this mother to the ground and go out dancing in a violent rage, drunk with Liberty coursing through my veins before I see it become just another Statist cess pool of slaves and masters!

I'd prefer to be left alone and just be free and peaceful as I have always been, but that's not happening, nor will it happen from the looks of things.

[AndyLate]

The people who own land that the wall will run through would probably disagree with you.

Americans cannot own land in Mexico, so of the border wall is running through someone's property, they are Mexican and the constitution does not protect the rights of other countries' citizens.

[docsherm]

The people who own land that the wall will run through would probably disagree with you.

Not the ones that I know. They are all for it as these shit stains are messing up their property. And it is in bad form to simple shoot them like they have for decades.

[yoni]

This is an Initial Private Offering, in my new company Guns R US.

We are seeking investors in a new start up that will be formed the day after the Democratic President declares a National Emergency and outlaws guns.

We will be importing guns and ammo into the USA, NFA no need to worry about that since all guns will be outlawed.

We are selling shares valued at $2,000 a share and we will go operational when we hit $1,000,000 .

Invest in your future, now.

[jsbhike]

Americans cannot own land in Mexico, so of the border wall is running through someone's property, they are Mexican and the constitution does not protect the rights of other countries' citizens.

Just read that as being around the Rio Grande. If we can force them to let us build a wall on their land then we could force them to keep their people on their side of the border sans wall.