We went today and with a 4x scope at 50 and 10 shot groups the best we got was around 3". So we went to 100 and the best I could get was 10 shots in a 5" square. I don't know what that group would have technically measured to but we would keeping getting these situations like a nice little 3 shot group then a flyer this way and another flyer that way. That's when we both know we were holding dead on. I'm sure some of my issues are operator error but we both shot several shots that we know should not have landed where they did.