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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    There’s a thread on TOS that exposes them donating to anti gun politician Loretta Sanchez and supporting magazine capacity bans and closing the ‘gunshow loophole’
    That is good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramairthree View Post
    Plenty of companies are pro gun and knives, etc.
    For .mil and LE.
    That’s where the big sales are.
    And those price points are typically higher than civ sales.

    Not as many companies are for non mil non LE types.
    Well, unfortunately, yes on who companies like, but no on where there money comes from.

    The private market is most of their sales and this seems to be a wide spread thing (the Larry Vickers at S&B ad mentioned 60% private/40% .gov sales for them as an example). US is something like 65% private vs. 35% .gov post 9/2001 after being 80% private/20% .gov for years.

    Sig is selling the Army pistols at what is believed to be a loss. SOPMOD butt stock contract cost is pennies on the dollar compared what private pays. LE contracts are typically the same.

    Take Larry Pratt (GOA...someone trying to get rid anti 2nd amendment laws) and the most rabidly anti gun LEO (some areas you can add anti gun prosecutors and judges to this) in to random firearms businesses and let me know who gets 10-20% off most purchases vs. which one gets to pay full price every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    There’s a thread on TOS that exposes them donating to anti gun politician Loretta Sanchez and supporting magazine capacity bans and closing the ‘gunshow loophole’
    I didn't know that, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    We’ll see if it even matters. I think it’s funny that Benchmade is under fire for this yet Surefire has donated to antigun politicians and gets a free pass for some reason
    I didn't know this thanks for commenting on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    We’ll see if it even matters. I think it’s funny that Benchmade is under fire for this yet Surefire has donated to antigun politicians and gets a free pass for some reason
    Human nature. People will attack one person or entity for things they let others slide on.

    Name a major Firearms company that hasn't come under fire for donating to one campaign or another. But people tend to ignore that for brands they like and only focus on the others. Ruger especially comes to mind here.

    Or name a politician who hasn't done similar. Hell Bush Sr. and Reagan did some seriously Anti 2A things yet most gun owners still love them. Same with Trump. Then we blast Democrats for even talking about it while ignore our own for actually doing it. Or if we do call thm out on it we quickly forget.

    "The line in the sand" is really more of a slightly visible mirage that moves around a lot.

    This isn't just the case with gun owners really. You will see it with every group, political or otherwise.

    As for Benchmade. I don't see the issue with the OP. The donations seem troublesome but with our political system sometimes you have to play the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwelz View Post
    Human nature. People will attack one person or entity for things they let others slide on.

    Name a major Firearms company that hasn't come under fire for donating to one campaign or another. But people tend to ignore that for brands they like and only focus on the others. Ruger especially comes to mind here.

    Or name a politician who hasn't done similar. Hell Bush Sr. and Reagan did some seriously Anti 2A things yet most gun owners still love them. Same with Trump. Then we blast Democrats for even talking about it while ignore our own for actually doing it. Or if we do call thm out on it we quickly forget.

    "The line in the sand" is really more of a slightly visible mirage that moves around a lot.

    This isn't just the case with gun owners really. You will see it with every group, political or otherwise.

    As for Benchmade. I don't see the issue with the OP. The donations seem troublesome but with our political system sometimes you have to play the game.
    Some of that is due to age. Most shooters 30 and under don't know what Ruger or SW did. Others, like me, don't search a companies political leanings when buying something. I had no idea about Surefire because I had no reason to look it up

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    The problem with Ruger has literally been buried.

    S&W went under, largely due to their shenanigans, so always worth trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    Well, unfortunately, yes on who companies like, but no on where there money comes from.

    The private market is most of their sales and this seems to be a wide spread thing (the Larry Vickers at S&B ad mentioned 60% private/40% .gov sales for them as an example). US is something like 65% private vs. 35% .gov post 9/2001 after being 80% private/20% .gov for years.

    Sig is selling the Army pistols at what is believed to be a loss. SOPMOD butt stock contract cost is pennies on the dollar compared what private pays. LE contracts are typically the same.

    Take Larry Pratt (GOA...someone trying to get rid anti 2nd amendment laws) and the most rabidly anti gun LEO (some areas you can add anti gun prosecutors and judges to this) in to random firearms businesses and let me know who gets 10-20% off most purchases vs. which one gets to pay full price every time.

    Interesting.
    I may be out of date.

    There was a time when the majority of surfire light, pelican case, knife, optic, etc. pricing points seemed like they were meant for a dept. or service to foot the bill but not so much most people buying for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    There’s a thread on TOS that exposes them donating to anti gun politician Loretta Sanchez and supporting magazine capacity bans and closing the ‘gunshow loophole’
    I had no idea...good to know.

    It looks like they did donate to her campaign in 2010, 2012, and 2014. The "Surefire LLC PAC" hasn't donated to any campaign since 2014:

    https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pac...768&cycle=2010

    Loretta Sanchez

    http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Lorett...un_Control.htm

    https://www.politifact.com/californi...-gun-liabilit/

    Sanchez has a D rating from the NRA, but has also taken flak from the Anti-gun crowd for supporting protections for the firearms industry from frivolous law suits.

    It would be interesting to know why the folks at Surefire thought it wise to support her, but I doubt they'll be talking much about it.

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