Background Checks: EPIC FAIL with mass shooters

[Bulletdog]

All in good time. We can't make an assault on the enemy capital until we push past the beach. That's why we keep losing. We want everything and we want it now. It took us 50+ years of leftist infringement to get where we are, and we're not going to get it back overnight.

We need to start with the major infringements, get them thrown out, then we can work our way to things like background checks.

I'm with you! Where's the beach? How do we get started? I keep voting, but no positive results from that so far... I keep talking and I've changed a few minds and planted some good seeds in others. I'm ready to take that beach and get moving toward the capital.

[BoringGuy45]

I'm with you! Where's the beach? How do we get started? I keep voting, but no positive results from that so far... I keep talking and I've changed a few minds and planted some good seeds in others. I'm ready to take that beach and get moving toward the capital.

I am too. First, a few things have to happen:

1) We need to believe that we can make a better future. Things look bleak, but the longer we do the whole "It's over, we're ****ed," thing, the less people are going to want to fight for what we need to fight for.

2) We need to realize that we can't turn back the clock. There never was a true "golden age" of America where things were nearly a conservative utopia. We've had severe problems and conflicts throughout our entire history. Don't try to revert to old ways; come up with new ways using traditional values. "Retro-classic".

3) Stop protesting laws on the grounds that they simply don't work. The whole "criminals don't care about laws" thing is true, but it's always countered with "Well if it saves even one life, it's worth it." We need to counter with how the laws are harmful to the public. We're not going to convince the far left and anti-gunners. But that's not our target audience. Our audience is the people in the middle who normally don't give guns a thought, and whose anti-gun opinions are simply recitations of what the mainstream media says. Push hard to educate people instead of declaring everyone a lost cause. Just like the left said, if a person hears something long enough, they'll believe it's true. We have the advantage of saying stuff that actually IS true!

4) Play the slow game. The anti-gun left has made huge strides over a longer period of time by constantly putting forward laws that are "common sense while respecting the right to bear arms." Let's counter with "common sense gun rights while respecting the need for public safety." Both are bullshit slogans, but play the game.

5) Biggest thing: Make it abundantly clear that social views are more important to us than fiscal views. I am ****ing sick and tired of the right constantly pushing RINOs on the ground that they're "socially moderate and fiscally conservative." Translation: They will either side against conservatives, or do nothing for them. Their main goal is the continuation of trickle down economics and policies that only help Fortune 500 companies, while occasionally throwing a small tax break to the middle and lower class just so it can look like they're doing something. Meanwhile, they push for things like bump fire stock bans and a willingness to at least "discuss" assault weapons bans and stuff. No more. I'll take a staunchly pro-gun politician with center to center-left economic views over a RINO any day. We need to stop trying to get guys who they think are going to steal seats or votes in CA or NY; that's not going to happen for awhile if ever.

[AlphaKoncepts]

IL does not have UBCs. We all must have FOID cards, to legally own/purchase firearms or ammo, but there is no legal requirement for private sellers to verify a FOID prior to a sale.

You're wrong on that one. When selling a gun you DO have a requirement to not only SEE the FOID card of the buyer and you do have the requirement to verify the FOID card using the ISP phone or website.

Currently, if you fail to verify by phone or website, there is no criminal penalty. However you open yourself up to civil prosecution. In other words you have civil immunity if you verify the FOID card with the phone/website. It is also important to note, that I said "currently" as there have been multiple attempts to make it criminal to not use the phone/website to verify.

Due to the requirement of possessing a FOID and because the FOID is 355 background checks a year for each person who has one, and the fact that you are required to at least see if not verify electronically; I'd say yes, Illinois does have UBC.