Firearm Platforms That Never Made Any Sense To You...

[CRAMBONE]

I have been informed that it was actually a Mk18 upper on a M4 lower, but I'm pretty sure that isn't what he wrote about in his book.

MK12?

[glocktogo]

The Beretta 92FS is the answer to a question no one in their right mind should've ever asked.

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[Firefly]

The Beretta 92FS is the answer to a question no one in their right mind should've ever asked.

Interesting.

Government profile, easily slicked up trigger, wide ejection port.... checks a lot of boxes.

No it isn’t a Glock but most importantly it isn’t a Sig which is pure AIDS

[ramairthree]

The Beretta 92FS is the answer to a question no one in their right mind should've ever asked.

At the time of evaluation non tier 1 SOF, let alone the military in general, had 1911a1s with no new frames since 1944, beat to piss magazines, and guns that keiterally rattled in you hands with poor reliability and dismal accuracy.

One other pistol at the time matched it for off the shelf accuracy and reliability. At least that was available in the US for testing and submitted.

Sure, it was designed about 50 years ago.

Busting on it now is sort of like saying the 1970 LS6 Chevelle SS, RAIV GTO, Buick GSX, or W30 442,
That crushed all brand new production cars in 1984 they went up against totally suck because a new 2019 Camaro SS, Mustang GT, or Challenger 6.4 all handle, brake, 0-60, and quarter mile better with better mpg, convenience, and reliability are available.

[Big A]

The Steyr AUG.....

[Firefly]

The Steyr AUG.....

You joke but I think they are neat. Stuck in the 80s, but interesting. And not a Tavor or MDR which is important.

[Big A]

You joke but I think they are neat. Stuck in the 80s, but interesting. And not a Tavor or MDR which is important.

Oh trust me I want one because Karl reasons. But bullpups just don't make much since to me other than to get as compact as possible weapon without having to get a stamp. I just don't see why some armed forces use them when other systems are available that can fill the need for compactness.

[Firefly]

Oh trust me I want one because Karl reasons. But bullpups just don't make much since to me other than to get as compact as possible weapon without having to get a stamp. I just don't see why some armed forces use them when other systems are available that can fill the need for compactness.

Because Mk. 18s weren’t a thing back then. The original XM177 had some issues and needed ironing out. And nobody uses the AUG anymore really. I know New Zealand uses LMTs and I think Austria and Australia use 416s now or are about to.

But of all the bullpups, the AUG was a huge success and actually worked. The SA80 just didn’t.

For its time the AUG was ahead of the curve: Integrated optic, balanced weight, quick change barrel, simple maintenance.

That said, a CAR-15 or a Colt M16 Carbine with an optic would destroy it.

[JoshNC]

The Beretta 92FS is the answer to a question no one in their right mind should've ever asked.

Blasphemy! Seriously. Italian made 92 series pistols are fantastic, elegant, aesthetically pleasing and reliable. I personally find the 92 to be one of the best looking pistols ever made.

The Steyr AUG.....

More blasphemy!

- Best QD barrel design of any small arm, rivaling those of most LMGa.
- Highly reliable and vetted.
- Durable parts that rarely need replacing.
- Highly innovative (for the time) integral optic, now completely modular with the M1.
- Option to use the excellent translucent 30 or 42 round AUG mag or M16 mags.
- Multiple barrel length options.
- 9mm conversion kits available. Costly, but available.
- Plentiful spare parts (albeit costly) for those who like to hoard. These have been continuously available since the 80s, and now more widely available than ever.
- 27” OAL with 16” barrel, pull the barrel and its 22” which will fit in a small backpack or large courier bag. All the while not NFA and no need for a pistol brace on a short barreled pistol pseudo SBR.

Yes it’s a bullpup. Yes the trigger isn’t great. If you can get over those two attributes, it really is a great rifle.