Firearm Platforms That Never Made Any Sense To You...

[Firefly]

Agreed. Before Glocks, Berettas were the high speed gun and arguably beat out the 226.

[SteyrAUG]

Agreed. Before Glocks, Berettas were the high speed gun and arguably beat out the 226.

Did as well as the 226.

The price for a 226 was cheaper than the Beretta, but the price for the 226 plus requested accessories was higher than the price for the Beretta plus accessories. And the Navy still went with the 226.

[SteyrAUG]

Oh trust me I want one because Karl reasons. But bullpups just don't make much since to me other than to get as compact as possible weapon without having to get a stamp. I just don't see why some armed forces use them when other systems are available that can fill the need for compactness.

3 second barrel changes for the win.

[Firefly]

Did as well as the 226.

The price for a 226 was cheaper than the Beretta, but the price for the 226 plus requested accessories was higher than the price for the Beretta plus accessories. And the Navy still went with the 226.

Did as well? I dunno. The main gripe was that the slides broke. Yet the 226 has frames that crack.
If 92G-SDs happened in the late 70s there would be no 226s ever.

I’d argue that the Beretta suppresses better too.

[Averageman]

The Ruger Mini 14.
Everything that made the original platform M14 inaccurate in a 5.56 platform.
Plus Bill was a dick which didn't help when you wanted 30 round magazines.

[TheChunkNorris]

The Ruger Mini 14.
Everything that made the original platform M14 inaccurate in a 5.56 platform.
Plus Bill was a dick which didn't help when you wanted 30 round magazines.

My AC556K is accurate and the newer Mini’s are better than you’d think. 30rd mags are easy to find now a day.

[SteyrAUG]

Did as well? I dunno. The main gripe was that the slides broke. Yet the 226 has frames that crack.
If 92G-SDs happened in the late 70s there would be no 226s ever.

I’d argue that the Beretta suppresses better too.

I think you are confusing the XM9 trials with later issues where SEALs were feeding their 226s +P+ subgun ammo, which of course didn't work very well and would have also wrecked a Beretta.

[MountainRaven]

I think you are confusing the XM9 trials with later issues where SEALs were feeding their 226s +P+ subgun ammo, which of course didn't work very well and would have also wrecked a Beretta.

I believe the entire reason the Navy bought the SiGs was because they were breaking Berettas with their stupid over-pressure ammo.

So apparently, *if* the Army had gotten SiGs, the Navy would have gone to Berettas.

In any event, today, Berettas are cheaper and have better QC than SiGs.

[SteyrAUG]

I believe the entire reason the Navy bought the SiGs was because they were breaking Berettas with their stupid over-pressure ammo.

So apparently, *if* the Army had gotten SiGs, the Navy would have gone to Berettas.

In any event, today, Berettas are cheaper and have better QC than SiGs.

But I don't think the Navy ever went with Berettas at all.

At the end of XM9 the Army and Marines went with the M9, but the Navy went with the SIG. And the Army used the right ammo in their M9s without issue really until we took them into desert environments where that wide open slide top seemed to be a black hole for blowing dust and sand. Had we ended up fighting wars someplace in Europe like we expected the Beretta would have performed brilliantly.

The Navy being the Navy rarely shot their SIGs except for the NSW guys who regularly shot at everything all the damn time. And they didn't have time for two different kinds of 9mm so they regularly forgot to pack their 124 gr. 9mm pistol ammo and just used that +P+ stuff that seems to work great in the MP5s in their SIGs as well with predictable results. But they are busy shooting people in the face and don't have time to listen to the difference in two 9mm loads. The Navy also fielded the HK P7M13 to a lesser degree.

[hotrodder636]

We had many M9s onboard during my time. The only people who didn’t have the Beretta were the pilots (Sig) and the SEALs and they had whatever the they wanted. That said, when I would shoot with them, they did have M9s in their bag of tricks.

But I don't think the Navy ever went with Berettas at all.

At the end of XM9 the Army and Marines went with the M9, but the Navy went with the SIG. And the Army used the right ammo in their M9s without issue really until we took them into desert environments where that wide open slide top seemed to be a black hole for blowing dust and sand. Had we ended up fighting wars someplace in Europe like we expected the Beretta would have performed brilliantly.

The Navy being the Navy rarely shot their SIGs except for the NSW guys who regularly shot at everything all the damn time. And they didn't have time for two different kinds of 9mm so they regularly forgot to pack their 124 gr. 9mm pistol ammo and just used that +P+ stuff that seems to work great in the MP5s in their SIGs as well with predictable results. But they are busy shooting people in the face and don't have time to listen to the difference in two 9mm loads. The Navy also fielded the HK P7M13 to a lesser degree.