LEO shot and killed by homeowner.

[TAZ]

Seems like a FUBAR situation. The LEO sit around outside till contact is made it more officers arrive only to find the family raped, tortured and brutally killed. They are seen as the assholes with guns, equipment and training sitting around with their thumbs up their asses again. Enter and you get shot by frightened homeowner or shoot a frightened homeowner. Lose lose situation

Don’t have an alarm system, but having heard some, it’s difficult to imagine how anyone could communicate verbally with one blaring in the background.

I’m also not sure that as a homeowner, I’d be wandering the home if the alarm went off. Retreat to the panic area and account for family. Call 911 and make sure they know where I’m at and that I’m armed. If you get lots of false alarms get a different alarm system/company.

Reason 1254258775436 why LEO stress is high and the job essentially sucks and why they deserve far more respect than they get.

[jsbhike]

Seems like a FUBAR situation. The LEO sit around outside till contact is made it more officers arrive only to find the family raped, tortured and brutally killed. They are seen as the assholes with guns, equipment and training sitting around with their thumbs up their asses again. Enter and you get shot by frightened homeowner or shoot a frightened homeowner. Lose lose situation

Don’t have an alarm system, but having heard some, it’s difficult to imagine how anyone could communicate verbally with one blaring in the background.

I’m also not sure that as a homeowner, I’d be wandering the home if the alarm went off. Retreat to the panic area and account for family. Call 911 and make sure they know where I’m at and that I’m armed. If you get lots of false alarms get a different alarm system/company.

Reason 1254258775436 why LEO stress is high and the job essentially sucks and why they deserve far more respect than they get.

Sitting around outside sounds like Parkland.

On the shooting the homeowner, are you talking about the fake 911 call where the homeowner got shot because his hands were near his waist or the real incident where the grandfather shot the attacker and was checking the rest of the house while armed?

Which officers got charged with manslaughter over any of those?

[docsherm]

Sitting around outside sounds like Parkland.

On the shooting the homeowner, are you talking about the fake 911 call where the homeowner got shot because his hands were near his waist or the real incident where the grandfather shot the attacker and was checking the rest of the house while armed?

Which officers got charged with manslaughter over any of those?.......... I will wait for that answer........

Or the one where the man was shot through a window in his own home?

[flenna]

Seems like a FUBAR situation. The LEO sit around outside till contact is made it more officers arrive only to find the family raped, tortured and brutally killed. They are seen as the assholes with guns, equipment and training sitting around with their thumbs up their asses again. Enter and you get shot by frightened homeowner or shoot a frightened homeowner. Lose lose situation

Don’t have an alarm system, but having heard some, it’s difficult to imagine how anyone could communicate verbally with one blaring in the background.

I’m also not sure that as a homeowner, I’d be wandering the home if the alarm went off. Retreat to the panic area and account for family. Call 911 and make sure they know where I’m at and that I’m armed. If you get lots of false alarms get a different alarm system/company.

Reason 1254258775436 why LEO stress is high and the job essentially sucks and why they deserve far more respect than they get.

Having responded to many alarms it goes like this:

Check the outside of the building for forced entry. Have dispatch tell the alarm company to call the keyholder/homeowner while waiting outside. If contact is made have the resident come outside and meet me away from the house. If no contact is made but the building is unsecured approach the door, with covering officers and before entering announce yourself several times, loudly, and ask if anyone is home. Continue to do so. Now, entering and clearing a residence instead of just leaving and locking the door behind you will take some very good judgement and circumstances. As a general rule houses at night and businesses during the day are normally occupied and visa versa. No one said it is an easy job which is why the bar should be set high.

[Renegade]

So many false alarms, if homeowner cannot be reached, there is no sign of entry, there is thus no evidence, probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of a crime, it is a NOP; just leave.

[NWPilgrim]

Waiting outside to establish contact is NOT like Parkland. No active shooter at a occupied school with kids and teachers dying while you wait around in this case, just an alarm at a residence in the middle of the night. It is not lose-lose situation, there is a way everyone can come out alive.

[flenna]

So many false alarms, if homeowner cannot be reached, there is no sign of entry, there is thus no evidence, probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of a crime, it is a NOP; just leave.

Exactly. I worked third shift at the PD for years and answering alarms were the norm. Granted, you have to treat every alarm as real until you prove otherwise but I'd say that 95%+ are false alarms.

[sundance435]

Having responded to many alarms it goes like this:

Check the outside of the building for forced entry. Have dispatch tell the alarm company to call the keyholder/homeowner while waiting outside. If contact is made have the resident come outside and meet me away from the house. If no contact is made but the building is unsecured approach the door, with covering officers and before entering announce yourself several times, loudly, and ask if anyone is home. Continue to do so. Now, entering and clearing a residence instead of just leaving and locking the door behind you will take some very good judgement and circumstances. As a general rule houses at night and businesses during the day are normally occupied and visa versa. No one said it is an easy job which is why the bar should be set high.

I would wager that's SOP for most and sums up most that I've seen. I don't recall a time we ever went into a house if there was no sign of forced entry and contact HADN'T been made with the owner. Only time we would've and the homeowner wasn't present is if they asked us to - even then, you wouldn't treat it like rolling up on a house party.

So many false alarms, if homeowner cannot be reached, there is no sign of entry, there is thus no evidence, probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of a crime, it is a NOP; just leave.

That's how most of them went if the owner couldn't be reached, especially for repeat alarms, absent other extenuating circumstances.

[26 Inf]

Was the alarm still running, making noise?

Is five years enough time to be an instructor? Granted, we turn out docs faster than that which will be 'teaching'. It just seemed that was pretty short time, but I guess this isn't a hot bed of mayhem?

Five years on and an FTO isn't unusual, you have to remember the trainee has already attended the Academy and received basic training. Not much difference between that and the junior Drill that put you through basic training.

[26 Inf]

A 37 year old CEO in his house with his family and his burglar alarm going off meets someone inside pointing a flashlight in his face. I know how I would react.

Yeah, because burglars always stick around, waving their flashlights in the homeowner's face after the alarm goes off.